benny

Most people that run their mouths a lot have some sort of inferiority complex. I think I would trade that friend in for a new model.

zerodown

My brother trashes JK's all the time. It's annoying because I don't really step on his toes. He thinks CJs YJs and TJs were real Jeeps and JK's are "not real Jeeps". He had a TJ rubicon for like a year and a half, and drives a chevy colorado now.

benny

Well I would tell you to trade him in too but he's your Brother. Maybe you could just let him know that he drives what is probably the most unreliable, non-truck truck there is.
My Brother used to run his mouth, of course I DID punch him in the nose one time. I thought my Mom was going to kill me. By no means am I saying you should do that though.
Oh well, it makes me think of a line from Back to the future 3,- "Just hot air from a buffoon."

CerOf

That makes me laugh.

There is very little differencebin when the 4l and 3.8l get their power. Go google it for a dyno if you do not believe it.

CerOf

Dyno found to prove it. From JP magazine, aka google search

JKlad

Yeah as jeansbro said, gearing has a lot to do with the perception that the JK is underpowered.

The 3.21s that come standard with the 6-speed and the 3.73s that come with the auto are quite tall and though they give decent fuel economy can feel sluggish during acceleration and stop-start city driving. The 4.10s that come with the Rubis make the JK feel more alive.

In reality the V6 produces more power and torque but due to the nature of the V6 design produces this at slightly higher RPMs, so the I6 (with the TJs lower gearing) gives the illusion of being more powerful in the lighter TJ. The I6 was also known as a gas guzzler; you won't hear any TJ owners (apart from maybe the 4-cyl drivers) saying that the I6 was more fuel efficient either.

Mark Doiron

I think "lighter" is a major factor in the misconception that the TJ's engine puts out more torque and horses. This is especially true for the four doors.

Bad_CRC

I think this thread is over.


Print that out, hand it to him, and walk away. No need to say anything else.

mabar

That is not correct. Straight from Jeep.com website for the 2011 Wrangler with the V-6 engine:

202 horsepower @5200 RPM
237 lb-ft torque @ 4000 RPM

Specs for a TJ Wrangler with the 4.0L I-6 Engine are here:

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190 hp @4600 RPM
235 lb-ft torque @3200 RPM

JerseyMark

My mistake then. The site I got it from must have been wrong.

Edit: I figured it out, the numbers I quoted were for the minivan 3.8L. It is tuned differently than in our JKs.