What Oil and Oil filters do you use??????
09-30-2010 | 10:37 PM
#63
JK Freak
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 731
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From: Los Angeles, CA
I'm using an oversize Wix filter with Mobile One Full Syn 5w-20 based off of a lot of recomendations, so far so good. Holds about 6 quarts.
O'Riley/Kragen here in LA are having a sale with a Wix filter and 5 quarts if their full syn for like $20 which is a pretty decent deal.
O'Riley/Kragen here in LA are having a sale with a Wix filter and 5 quarts if their full syn for like $20 which is a pretty decent deal.
09-30-2010 | 11:54 PM
#64
JK Freak
Joined: Mar 2009
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From: Arvada, CO
A beat up topic that is rather useless because all of the replies are from people who have made up their mind, and are just trying to tell the rest of the "wrong people" why they are wrong. That said, here is my made up mind 
I have been using Mobil 1 from 800 miles IIRC, might have been 600, after spending a lot of time looking at various sites with information about oil. I wish I would have moved my bookmarks over to my new computer, because that information has come up more than I would have imagined it could have. The general consensus was that AMSOIL was the best, followed pretty closely by Mobil 1 full synthetic, with oils like conventional Penzoil bringing up the bottom. Oils like Royal Purple were exceptional at SOME tests, but overall they lacked the performance of Amsoil, Mobil, Castrol, etc. With the price, their value was towards the bottom as well. I would have gone with Amsoil had it been easily available in the middle of nowhere, where I was. Because of the problems with getting it easily and reliably in addition to price, I chose Mobil 1. It has been working well so far, and I have a feeling it has something to do with the better mileage I get. (20+ highway, 17 all city)
I spent plenty of time looking at the filters as well. Some guy had done a cut test and posted all of his pictures and descriptions of the filters online, and learned a few things right away.
The first was that I was instantly convinced I would never again buy another FRAM filter which I previously used only, because of the paper filter media, the absurd way the filter was "held in", and the fact that the sealing gasket is not attached to the filter in any real way. I know two people personally, twice my Dad and once my brother, who had this become a problem for them. If you don't double and triple check the mating surface where the filter sits - you may leave behind an extra ring, and then when the new filter sits - leak city. My Dad left an extra one on, and my Mom drove to the grocery store and back after he changed the oil. Being a woman, my Mom thought the best course of action after the oil light came on was to drive to the grocery and then return for my Dad to check on it. I still remember that day when I was probably 13 with my Mom driving up the road blue smoke coming out of the car, with a mention of "that light came on". LOL. You can check this forum and any other and see that it DOES happen. It never happened to me, but it isn't worth saving that two bucks for a problem of $30 of spilled oil, or at the worst a new $5000 engine if your wife drives the vehicle first.
Next was that the only thing I am really concerned about in a filter is the amount of dirt and particulate that it can hold, and how much it removes. I started out with a K&N filter, but dropped that for a Mobil that removes more and finer particulate. I used the M1-102 for the first 5 or so, then went for one time to a M1-209 because it had more filter area. BUT the M1-209 had horrible cold starts and I removed it early and replaced it with a M1-102. On my last oil change I put in a Bosch, and for now on that is what I am going to be using. The Bosch can hold about twice the amount of particulate, and although I was very sceptical about that claim, my mileage has gone up again. I think Bosch is kind of a combination between the high flow of the K&N and the high filtration of the Mobil. I wouldn't have bought one if it wasn't 40% off online at Advance Auto, but now I would have to say it is worth the $14. The fact that the gasket is clamped in on all of the above is enough for $5 extra in my opinion above the FRAM. Also, K&N, Mobil, and Bosch all have synthetic media that is physically attached. I will search for the "cut test" and post some of the pictures of FRAM - it is seriously disgusting how that "filter media" is held in.
All of the debate over whether or not the premium oil and filters are worth it is pretty silly IMHO. If you are driving a Kia, maybe. But when you are driving a rather expensive bare bones vehicle that costs $50 to fill up once a week, price and value obvsiouly didn't pop into your head too many times. I don't see how it wouldn't be worth it to spend the extra $60/year or less (1 fillup) just in the off chance that it MIGHT make a difference in fuel economy and engine life. When the data is out there, and plenty clear, that synthetics provide better wear protection and you can buy a filter that FILTERS (Duh) better - why wouldn't you? To save maybe $600 over the next ten or fifteen years? When the wrong choice just might bring down that lifespan? Buy the slightly more expensive oils and filters.
I have been using Mobil 1 from 800 miles IIRC, might have been 600, after spending a lot of time looking at various sites with information about oil. I wish I would have moved my bookmarks over to my new computer, because that information has come up more than I would have imagined it could have. The general consensus was that AMSOIL was the best, followed pretty closely by Mobil 1 full synthetic, with oils like conventional Penzoil bringing up the bottom. Oils like Royal Purple were exceptional at SOME tests, but overall they lacked the performance of Amsoil, Mobil, Castrol, etc. With the price, their value was towards the bottom as well. I would have gone with Amsoil had it been easily available in the middle of nowhere, where I was. Because of the problems with getting it easily and reliably in addition to price, I chose Mobil 1. It has been working well so far, and I have a feeling it has something to do with the better mileage I get. (20+ highway, 17 all city)
I spent plenty of time looking at the filters as well. Some guy had done a cut test and posted all of his pictures and descriptions of the filters online, and learned a few things right away.
The first was that I was instantly convinced I would never again buy another FRAM filter which I previously used only, because of the paper filter media, the absurd way the filter was "held in", and the fact that the sealing gasket is not attached to the filter in any real way. I know two people personally, twice my Dad and once my brother, who had this become a problem for them. If you don't double and triple check the mating surface where the filter sits - you may leave behind an extra ring, and then when the new filter sits - leak city. My Dad left an extra one on, and my Mom drove to the grocery store and back after he changed the oil. Being a woman, my Mom thought the best course of action after the oil light came on was to drive to the grocery and then return for my Dad to check on it. I still remember that day when I was probably 13 with my Mom driving up the road blue smoke coming out of the car, with a mention of "that light came on". LOL. You can check this forum and any other and see that it DOES happen. It never happened to me, but it isn't worth saving that two bucks for a problem of $30 of spilled oil, or at the worst a new $5000 engine if your wife drives the vehicle first.
Next was that the only thing I am really concerned about in a filter is the amount of dirt and particulate that it can hold, and how much it removes. I started out with a K&N filter, but dropped that for a Mobil that removes more and finer particulate. I used the M1-102 for the first 5 or so, then went for one time to a M1-209 because it had more filter area. BUT the M1-209 had horrible cold starts and I removed it early and replaced it with a M1-102. On my last oil change I put in a Bosch, and for now on that is what I am going to be using. The Bosch can hold about twice the amount of particulate, and although I was very sceptical about that claim, my mileage has gone up again. I think Bosch is kind of a combination between the high flow of the K&N and the high filtration of the Mobil. I wouldn't have bought one if it wasn't 40% off online at Advance Auto, but now I would have to say it is worth the $14. The fact that the gasket is clamped in on all of the above is enough for $5 extra in my opinion above the FRAM. Also, K&N, Mobil, and Bosch all have synthetic media that is physically attached. I will search for the "cut test" and post some of the pictures of FRAM - it is seriously disgusting how that "filter media" is held in.
All of the debate over whether or not the premium oil and filters are worth it is pretty silly IMHO. If you are driving a Kia, maybe. But when you are driving a rather expensive bare bones vehicle that costs $50 to fill up once a week, price and value obvsiouly didn't pop into your head too many times. I don't see how it wouldn't be worth it to spend the extra $60/year or less (1 fillup) just in the off chance that it MIGHT make a difference in fuel economy and engine life. When the data is out there, and plenty clear, that synthetics provide better wear protection and you can buy a filter that FILTERS (Duh) better - why wouldn't you? To save maybe $600 over the next ten or fifteen years? When the wrong choice just might bring down that lifespan? Buy the slightly more expensive oils and filters.
Last edited by rickyj; 10-01-2010 at 12:00 AM.
10-01-2010 | 12:21 AM
#65
JK Freak
Joined: Mar 2009
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From: Arvada, CO
Filter Pictures, from minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/
This is a Bosch type, all of the premium filters look a lot like this.
This is a FRAM, the cheap filters look like this.
Notice that in addition to having WAY more filter media (number of folds), the premium filters clamp in the media. In the FRAM it is basically hot glued to a metal and or cardboard plate. The Mobil 1 has 356 square inches of synthetic filter, the FRAM has 193 inches of paper filter.
This is not to endorse a particular filter, but to show that YES there are good filters (Mobil, Bosch, etc) and crap filters (FRAM, Pennsoil, etc).
This is a Bosch type, all of the premium filters look a lot like this.
This is a FRAM, the cheap filters look like this.
Notice that in addition to having WAY more filter media (number of folds), the premium filters clamp in the media. In the FRAM it is basically hot glued to a metal and or cardboard plate. The Mobil 1 has 356 square inches of synthetic filter, the FRAM has 193 inches of paper filter.
This is not to endorse a particular filter, but to show that YES there are good filters (Mobil, Bosch, etc) and crap filters (FRAM, Pennsoil, etc).
10-01-2010 | 12:27 AM
#66
JK Freak
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 857
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From: los vegas
i am running amsoil in my jeep currently, i have it in difs, transfer case, engine oil, and manual trans, but i am thinking about switching to red line and see how that works, but i run a k and n filter and its pretty good no problems and i change my oil every 3000 miles, and i change my difs every 6000
10-01-2010 | 06:48 AM
#68
JK Newbie
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 32
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From: Fairfax, VA
Been running Royal Purple 5W20 & K&N oil filter since day 1
Just did a driveline but I opted to go with BG b/c of the extended warranty they provide, tryin to get a trans flush done today
Next driveline service & trans flush i'm goin w/ Royal Purple
Just did a driveline but I opted to go with BG b/c of the extended warranty they provide, tryin to get a trans flush done today
Next driveline service & trans flush i'm goin w/ Royal Purple
10-01-2010 | 05:25 PM
#69
JK Enthusiast
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 306
Likes: 1
From: Cedar City, Utah
A beat up topic that is rather useless because all of the replies are from people who have made up their mind, and are just trying to tell the rest of the "wrong people" why they are wrong. That said, here is my made up mind
I have been using Mobil 1 from 800 miles IIRC, might have been 600, after spending a lot of time looking at various sites with information about oil. I wish I would have moved my bookmarks over to my new computer, because that information has come up more than I would have imagined it could have. The general consensus was that AMSOIL was the best, followed pretty closely by Mobil 1 full synthetic, with oils like conventional Penzoil bringing up the bottom. Oils like Royal Purple were exceptional at SOME tests, but overall they lacked the performance of Amsoil, Mobil, Castrol, etc. With the price, their value was towards the bottom as well. I would have gone with Amsoil had it been easily available in the middle of nowhere, where I was. Because of the problems with getting it easily and reliably in addition to price, I chose Mobil 1. It has been working well so far, and I have a feeling it has something to do with the better mileage I get. (20+ highway, 17 all city)
I spent plenty of time looking at the filters as well. Some guy had done a cut test and posted all of his pictures and descriptions of the filters online, and learned a few things right away.
The first was that I was instantly convinced I would never again buy another FRAM filter which I previously used only, because of the paper filter media, the absurd way the filter was "held in", and the fact that the sealing gasket is not attached to the filter in any real way. I know two people personally, twice my Dad and once my brother, who had this become a problem for them. If you don't double and triple check the mating surface where the filter sits - you may leave behind an extra ring, and then when the new filter sits - leak city. My Dad left an extra one on, and my Mom drove to the grocery store and back after he changed the oil. Being a woman, my Mom thought the best course of action after the oil light came on was to drive to the grocery and then return for my Dad to check on it. I still remember that day when I was probably 13 with my Mom driving up the road blue smoke coming out of the car, with a mention of "that light came on". LOL. You can check this forum and any other and see that it DOES happen. It never happened to me, but it isn't worth saving that two bucks for a problem of $30 of spilled oil, or at the worst a new $5000 engine if your wife drives the vehicle first.
Next was that the only thing I am really concerned about in a filter is the amount of dirt and particulate that it can hold, and how much it removes. I started out with a K&N filter, but dropped that for a Mobil that removes more and finer particulate. I used the M1-102 for the first 5 or so, then went for one time to a M1-209 because it had more filter area. BUT the M1-209 had horrible cold starts and I removed it early and replaced it with a M1-102. On my last oil change I put in a Bosch, and for now on that is what I am going to be using. The Bosch can hold about twice the amount of particulate, and although I was very sceptical about that claim, my mileage has gone up again. I think Bosch is kind of a combination between the high flow of the K&N and the high filtration of the Mobil. I wouldn't have bought one if it wasn't 40% off online at Advance Auto, but now I would have to say it is worth the $14. The fact that the gasket is clamped in on all of the above is enough for $5 extra in my opinion above the FRAM. Also, K&N, Mobil, and Bosch all have synthetic media that is physically attached. I will search for the "cut test" and post some of the pictures of FRAM - it is seriously disgusting how that "filter media" is held in.
All of the debate over whether or not the premium oil and filters are worth it is pretty silly IMHO. If you are driving a Kia, maybe. But when you are driving a rather expensive bare bones vehicle that costs $50 to fill up once a week, price and value obvsiouly didn't pop into your head too many times. I don't see how it wouldn't be worth it to spend the extra $60/year or less (1 fillup) just in the off chance that it MIGHT make a difference in fuel economy and engine life. When the data is out there, and plenty clear, that synthetics provide better wear protection and you can buy a filter that FILTERS (Duh) better - why wouldn't you? To save maybe $600 over the next ten or fifteen years? When the wrong choice just might bring down that lifespan? Buy the slightly more expensive oils and filters.
I have been using Mobil 1 from 800 miles IIRC, might have been 600, after spending a lot of time looking at various sites with information about oil. I wish I would have moved my bookmarks over to my new computer, because that information has come up more than I would have imagined it could have. The general consensus was that AMSOIL was the best, followed pretty closely by Mobil 1 full synthetic, with oils like conventional Penzoil bringing up the bottom. Oils like Royal Purple were exceptional at SOME tests, but overall they lacked the performance of Amsoil, Mobil, Castrol, etc. With the price, their value was towards the bottom as well. I would have gone with Amsoil had it been easily available in the middle of nowhere, where I was. Because of the problems with getting it easily and reliably in addition to price, I chose Mobil 1. It has been working well so far, and I have a feeling it has something to do with the better mileage I get. (20+ highway, 17 all city)
I spent plenty of time looking at the filters as well. Some guy had done a cut test and posted all of his pictures and descriptions of the filters online, and learned a few things right away.
The first was that I was instantly convinced I would never again buy another FRAM filter which I previously used only, because of the paper filter media, the absurd way the filter was "held in", and the fact that the sealing gasket is not attached to the filter in any real way. I know two people personally, twice my Dad and once my brother, who had this become a problem for them. If you don't double and triple check the mating surface where the filter sits - you may leave behind an extra ring, and then when the new filter sits - leak city. My Dad left an extra one on, and my Mom drove to the grocery store and back after he changed the oil. Being a woman, my Mom thought the best course of action after the oil light came on was to drive to the grocery and then return for my Dad to check on it. I still remember that day when I was probably 13 with my Mom driving up the road blue smoke coming out of the car, with a mention of "that light came on". LOL. You can check this forum and any other and see that it DOES happen. It never happened to me, but it isn't worth saving that two bucks for a problem of $30 of spilled oil, or at the worst a new $5000 engine if your wife drives the vehicle first.
Next was that the only thing I am really concerned about in a filter is the amount of dirt and particulate that it can hold, and how much it removes. I started out with a K&N filter, but dropped that for a Mobil that removes more and finer particulate. I used the M1-102 for the first 5 or so, then went for one time to a M1-209 because it had more filter area. BUT the M1-209 had horrible cold starts and I removed it early and replaced it with a M1-102. On my last oil change I put in a Bosch, and for now on that is what I am going to be using. The Bosch can hold about twice the amount of particulate, and although I was very sceptical about that claim, my mileage has gone up again. I think Bosch is kind of a combination between the high flow of the K&N and the high filtration of the Mobil. I wouldn't have bought one if it wasn't 40% off online at Advance Auto, but now I would have to say it is worth the $14. The fact that the gasket is clamped in on all of the above is enough for $5 extra in my opinion above the FRAM. Also, K&N, Mobil, and Bosch all have synthetic media that is physically attached. I will search for the "cut test" and post some of the pictures of FRAM - it is seriously disgusting how that "filter media" is held in.
All of the debate over whether or not the premium oil and filters are worth it is pretty silly IMHO. If you are driving a Kia, maybe. But when you are driving a rather expensive bare bones vehicle that costs $50 to fill up once a week, price and value obvsiouly didn't pop into your head too many times. I don't see how it wouldn't be worth it to spend the extra $60/year or less (1 fillup) just in the off chance that it MIGHT make a difference in fuel economy and engine life. When the data is out there, and plenty clear, that synthetics provide better wear protection and you can buy a filter that FILTERS (Duh) better - why wouldn't you? To save maybe $600 over the next ten or fifteen years? When the wrong choice just might bring down that lifespan? Buy the slightly more expensive oils and filters.
