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possible problems with some 3.6 pentastar engines

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Old 08-18-2012 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ccuchris
you know you seem to have a personal problem with me. And that jsut tells me what kind of person you are. Your a bully you think everytime I post your going to come on here and followup with some smartelic remark that has no bearing on the problem People can think I m hostile paranoid or just a nut but all of those in my opinion are bette rthen jsut a common asshole.

Gee I don't know either.
I mean when someone starts out a reply like this, it's clear they are here to make friends.
Originally Posted by ccuchris
the last 25 posts have been people who seem to know so much more then Chrysler or atleast they think they do.

I am shocked why some of you didnt just build your own car instead of buying one.
If you poke a dog with a stick, don't start crying when it bites you.
Old 08-18-2012 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by lanslide
So...I changed my 12JK's oil today with Mobil 1 at 2,000 miles (2nd oil change). I listened intently to the engine afterwards and it sounds smooth but kinda like a sewing machine. Is this the ticking sound? It isn't loud and sounds smooth from all around the engine.

Is the sound a tick, tap, or knock? I would never have given it a second thought if I hadn't read this thread. I thought this was a normal sound for an engine. My 1993 YJ's engine sounded like a sewing machine too.
I don't believe changing to Mobil 1 would make any difference. Oil pressure doesn't change when you go to synthetic. If pressure isn't maintained, for whatever reason, at the lifters; they will ultimately fail and just as fast as if you used conventional oil.
Old 08-18-2012 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Sunkist Rubi

This is becoming too much for me. You wonder why people say you can't believe everything you read on the internet. This is a perfect example of the lunacy that permeates this entire thread.

Nothing is getting blocked inside the head/exhaust manifold and stopping the flow of exhaust to the atmosphere. There is no increase in density occurring because there is no constriction of the gas flow. The exhaust will escape because the cylinder pressures greatly exceeds the atmospheric pressure. If what you are saying is happening, the exhaust gases are being constricted, the engine would not function properly and completely stall. Yes, there could be a build-up of excess heat because all the cylinders exhaust through this singular passage.

As I've stated many times before in this thread, a lifter is being starved of oil right from the very beginning of the engine's life. Every lifter has it's own internal spring that does the job of supporting a zero valve lash gap but for only so long. Without a constant support of oil pressure this internal valve spring will only last for so long. I physically observed the one lifter that failed in my Jeep. Compared to the other lifters there was no resistance remaining, no force to keep the valve lash gap to zero. THIS IS WHAT CAUSES THE INFAMOUS TIC.

This is the last time I will make this statement. Everybody that doesn't understand the hydraulic valve actuation process should Google it and do some reading. A lot of very false accusations that are rampant throughout this thread would end. Please do us all a favor and do some research and LEARN. The internet is a very powerful tool LEARN HOW TO USE IT. Goodbye.
By definition.....an increase of heat going through a single output is caused by increased friction of hot gas molecules that have more internal energy....this internal energy is transfered to the single output through convection and friction to this integral single manifold output...sorry my friend....basic physics...

But thanks for calling me a lunatic.
Old 08-18-2012 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ccuchris

you know you seem to have a personal problem with me. And that jsut tells me what kind of person you are. Your a bully you think everytime I post your going to come on here and followup with some smartelic remark that has no bearing on the problem People can think I m hostile paranoid or just a nut but all of those in my opinion are bette rthen jsut a common asshole.
The title of the post is "possible pentastar problems" not "ccuchris' beef with Chrysler and how he will take his matter legally to the state while anonymously pissing off the most people who want to brainstorm the possible problems of this engine" you are more than welcome to start such a thread though. Some people might join. Don't hold your breath though.
Old 08-18-2012 | 11:54 AM
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Taking your frustrations out on the people here will do nothing to fix the problem with your jeep. I'm not pointing any fingers because there are a few ppl here that have contributed nothing constructive to this thread. I have just had my head AND lifters replaced and I couldn't be happier. All the haters saying my jeep is junk can pound sand it's my bank account that pays the payment, and I'm not saying anyone here has said that before you try to jump down my throat. Without this thread and the constructive advice found here I would have had a lot harder time with the dealer. Most of the problem seems to be getting the dealers on board to do what they are suppose to...fix the issues. People's actual experiences and symptoms are what this thread was suppose to be for not a bunch of childish bickering between each other. Some people need to get a grip and take their frustration to the dealer where it belongs. As for useful information, when I get my invoice I will repost what is on it, wether I have an AA head which will likely be an original defective head that will fail again or it is an AB reengineered head that should fix the problem completely. Until then my jeep sounds a thousand times better than it did before the replacement, I never had a CEL and the slight hesitation is gone. To all of you that have contributed useful info on this issue I say thank you, to all the others I say piss off your bullshit has made me unsubscribe to this thread so your childish banter will fall on deaf ears.
Old 08-18-2012 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by detonatorunlimited
taking your frustrations out on the people here will do nothing to fix the problem with your jeep. I'm not pointing any fingers because there are a few ppl here that have contributed nothing constructive to this thread. I have just had my head and lifters replaced and i couldn't be happier. All the haters saying my jeep is junk can pound sand it's my bank account that pays the payment, and i'm not saying anyone here has said that before you try to jump down my throat. Without this thread and the constructive advice found here i would have had a lot harder time with the dealer. Most of the problem seems to be getting the dealers on board to do what they are suppose to...fix the issues. People's actual experiences and symptoms are what this thread was suppose to be for not a bunch of childish bickering between each other. Some people need to get a grip and take their frustration to the dealer where it belongs. As for useful information, when i get my invoice i will repost what is on it, wether i have an aa head which will likely be an original defective head that will fail again or it is an ab reengineered head that should fix the problem completely. Until then my jeep sounds a thousand times better than it did before the replacement, i never had a cel and the slight hesitation is gone. To all of you that have contributed useful info on this issue i say thank you, to all the others i say piss off your bullshit has made me unsubscribe to this thread so your childish banter will fall on deaf ears.
ditto !.......(still subscribed)
Old 08-18-2012 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RoysRig
What put me back on my heels was how much heat is created under the hood And I mention this being my first jeep because maybe someone else can tell me if the heat issue is in all models and years, or is it worse in the >2012? And I can't help but wonder if the extra distance that the exhaust has to travel to escape the area of the block/heads isn't soaked up in that travel. This new head really was an outside of the box design.
The only other jeep I've had was an 70's cj7 and it had a mechanical fan running all the time, and the engine compartment was open, not crowded like todays compartment are, so your concern is valid, especially with other components sharing this compartment, we all know heat kills components, from the battery to the ECU, so airflow is a necessity.

I do sit in traffic with my 08 in the Mojave desert where heat is extreme at times, and the AC is going full blast, I have an idea for compartment cooling with small electric fans, if the AC does not bring the electric rad fan on because of a relay failure, and hope the high temp sensor brings it on. I just have to implement the small electric fans when I get the time.

Ron did his 3.8 oem mechanical fan retrofit and he is updating heat temp in different condition of travel with his JK.
Read here:
https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/modi...2/#post3054976

One temporary solution would be leaving the hood cracked open and secured.
Hope this helps

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Old 08-18-2012 | 12:36 PM
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I really don't understand what the big deal is. If it's broke - it'll be fixed under warranty. Why is it junk? It's a blast to drive and a totally unique vehicle.
Old 08-18-2012 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by carolinajk
duuuude.......... i kinda defended you and your initial posting when you took some heat , but reAlly! u jus bein a straight up hatin dik now . you are being wrong on so many levels it aint funny . go away!!!!!!!!!!!
up yours, I dont need your defense. I dont need anything from anyone here. I always kinda thought people who drive jeeps were jerks. Glad too see I was at least right about that.


Since I was called a drama queen 30 posts ago I have no respect for any of you. Even if a diesel dyke did post it, you expect me to respect anyone who refers to me as a homosexual is going to get kindness or respect form me your sadly mistaken.

And the next time one of your stupid asses gives me that sissyass wave your gonna get my special Jeep wave back. yeah the one finger one.
Old 08-18-2012 | 02:38 PM
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You still drive your Jeep? After all that bitchin I thought you would be driving something else. Can't let go of that jk huh?


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