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Old 04-18-2010 | 11:06 AM
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Gonna show me newbie green colors here. What would be the best way to find the correct line down a descent like this. I doubt I would take my precious 30k baby down this crazy hill but I might. This is really sad. I would like to prevent something like this from happening to myself. Any salty advice you all have would be appreciated. Besides the hard top, looks like there was minimal damage. Jeeps are so awesome. Thanks JKers.

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Old 04-18-2010 | 11:19 AM
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At the very beginning of the video, when they are all on top of the hill. Did that look like the spotter might have had a Barley Pop in his hand?
Old 04-18-2010 | 12:08 PM
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I read the details of the video at the bottom of the screen on youtube. She was not disconnected and furthermore, did not have her seatbelt on. Her back was broken but she is healing fine and isnt paralyzed.

I'm not an experienced wheeler and very well could have been the person barrel rolling down the hill, but even for me it was painful to watch. She ignored the spotter at the very beginning and then obviously the spotter messed up. It also said on the comments below the video that the spotter admitted he made the mistake but then fell down and couldnt get back up in time to correct it.
Old 04-18-2010 | 01:15 PM
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Wow. Those have to be the worst hand gestures I have ever seen It looked like he was doing shadow puppets or had hand cramps.
Old 04-18-2010 | 01:37 PM
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After watching the Fj flipped, Armand close call few weeks ago at hungry Valley and this video...If one tire have to go high then the driver should check if there is a dip on the other side and definitely follow Toad instructions..
Old 04-18-2010 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Angst
Gonna show me newbie green colors here. What would be the best way to find the correct line down a descent like this. I doubt I would take my precious 30k baby down this crazy hill but I might. This is really sad. I would like to prevent something like this from happening to myself. Any salty advice you all have would be appreciated. Besides the hard top, looks like there was minimal damage. Jeeps are so awesome. Thanks JKers.
1. never wheel alone
2. wear your seatbelt
3. don't drink and wheel - at the risk of sounding like your mom, i see this going on all the time and i have seen some pretty stupid breaks or worse because of it.
4. as the driver, plan your route down with your spotter ahead of time so you know what to expect. try to think about what path you will need to take to keep your jeep as level as possible all the way down. good articulation will help make this easier to do and give you more options.
5. agree on clear hand signals and verbal commands with your spotter ahead of time. i typically like to use one hand only to guide forward motion, stop or reverse and use one arm extended out to show direction i want the driver to turn. i also like to use the words "driver" or "passenger" to describe the direction i want them to turn their wheel.
6. try to stay in visual contact as long as possible and intelligible verbal communication with your spotter at all times. if you are the spotter, try to position yourself ahead of time in a place that you can be seen and heard.
7. always turn into the fall.
8. if you think you're gonna tip - do not brake.

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Old 04-18-2010 | 02:50 PM
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Thanks for the tips. Great pointers. When you say dont hit the brake do you mean not at all or dont slam it? So instead you turn the wheel to the fall and keep going. Thanks again for the pointers. Went wheeling on Rowher trail a couple weeks ago and thought I was gonna lose it. I think I did something similar to what this lady did. Got front tire and opposite back tire high. The result was teeder todering, which after I checked my shorts was kind of cool. I stopped put in reverse and tried it a lot slower from a different angle. Does it look like this lady was going a bit fast or would this be the normal speed for this terrain? Thanks
Old 04-18-2010 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by wayoflife
1. never wheel alone
2. wear your seatbelt
3. don't drink and wheel - at the risk of sounding like your mom, i see this going on all the time and i have seen some pretty stupid breaks or worse because of it.
4. as the driver, plan your route down with your spotter ahead of time so you know what to expect. try to think about what path you will need to take to your jeep as level as possible all the way down. good articulation will help make this easier to do and give you more options.
5. agree on clear hand signals and verbal commands with your spotter ahead of time. i typically like to use one hand only to guide forward motion, stop or reverse and use one arm extended out to show direction i want the driver to turn. i also like to use the words "driver" or "passenger" to describe the direction i want them to turn their wheel.
6. try to stay in visual contact as long as possible and intelligible verbal communication with your spotter at all times. if you are the spotter, try to position yourself ahead of time in a place that you can be seen and heard.
7. always turn into the fall.
8. if you think you're gonna tip - do not brake.
Well said eddie.
Old 04-18-2010 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Angst
Thanks for the tips. Great pointers. When you say dont hit the brake do you mean not at all or dont slam it?
assuming you're creeping slowly down an off camber section and you start to tip, hitting the brakes will only cause the inertia of your jeep to throw you over. so long as your wheels are still rolling, you have a better chance of pulling out of the roll. in some instances, applying gas is the better thing to do. it really all depends on the circumstances.

So instead you turn the wheel to the fall and keep going.
yes, it's just like trying to regain control of a vehicle in a slide. by turning into the fall, you still have control of your jeep. turing away from the fall will only encourage your jeep to roll just like it would encourage your jeep to go from a slide to a spin.

Thanks again for the pointers. Went wheeling on Rowher trail a couple weeks ago and thought I was gonna lose it. I think I did something similar to what this lady did. Got front tire and opposite back tire high. The result was teeder todering, which after I checked my shorts was kind of cool. I stopped put in reverse and tried it a lot slower from a different angle.
if you were creeping up on an off camber section and realized that you were getting into a bad situation, stopping and backing out of it is the thing to do. in the case of this video, the driver was trusting her spotter and nobody told her she was getting into a bad situation.

Does it look like this lady was going a bit fast or would this be the normal speed for this terrain? Thanks
no, she was going just fine. her problem wasn't speed but her skill level and trust in someone who didn't know what they were doing.
Old 04-18-2010 | 03:15 PM
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Thanks for the info. Hey I sent you and a message on the project site. I was trying to order a couple of JK stickers and it rejected three of my credit cards. Is there a different process. I like the stickers and would like to support the site. Thanks again. Cant wait to go wheeling with you all.


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