Why does a lift and larger tires help so much?
#11
Learning to DRIVE is your first "mod". If a TJ on 31's with a locker was kicking your ass then you may wish to re-evaluate your driving abilities.
There is not a trail I have EVER been on where a locked 31" vehicle would do better than me unlocked on 35's
Unless that trail was like paved or something.
A inexperienced driver with lockers will get themselves in more trouble than anything....well a inexperienced driver with lockers AND a winch will get themselves in situations you would not believe
Drive what you have and upgrade with your learning curve.
Take a comp buggy and a open diff CJ-5 with a carb and switch drivers and I bet you anything the comp driver would own the other.
#12
What about turning scenarios? In my experience I can't turn as sharp with my locker on. This has only been my experience on two vechicles I have had - not sure if they applies to all vehicles with lockers.
What about scenarios where you are going fast? Are there differnt types of lockers for four high?
What about if you want to spin your tires real fast and get mud on your vehicle? In theory maybe un-locked would give you better results.
What about scenarios where you are going fast? Are there differnt types of lockers for four high?
What about if you want to spin your tires real fast and get mud on your vehicle? In theory maybe un-locked would give you better results.
In desert racing such as the Baja, alot of vehicles dont even run a front locker, and if they do - most run a selectable one. This comes in handy when you get caught up in the deep silt. As far as when you are going "fast" momentum will most of the time carry you through in a desert/dirt racing scenario. In mud, its a different story to where you would want a front locker engaged. I would say that in all situations a full time rear locker can help more than harm. (unless your running a rear-steer buggy navigating through tight cones, in which a selectable would most likely be preferred)
I think we got way off topic but, some good conversation has come out of it.....
#13
Drive what you have and upgrade with your learning curve.
Take a comp buggy and a open diff CJ-5 with a carb and switch drivers and I bet you anything the comp driver would own the other.
Take a comp buggy and a open diff CJ-5 with a carb and switch drivers and I bet you anything the comp driver would own the other.
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#16
Lockers should be the first mod if you don't have them already. They will help you more than anything else.
I remember I had 35"s on my TJ and went trail riding. This other guy had 31"s on his TJ and kicked my ass. I installed lockers shortly after. I agree that departure/approach angles are important, but lockers help much more.
I remember I had 35"s on my TJ and went trail riding. This other guy had 31"s on his TJ and kicked my ass. I installed lockers shortly after. I agree that departure/approach angles are important, but lockers help much more.
My young (21 year old) brother-in-law got way back into a place and got stuck with his TJ with no doors or top. And of course it began to rain. Needless to say, we did not have the proper recovery gear to get him out. So the Jeep spent the night in the rain with no doors or top. We came back the next day and used a highlift jack to get him out. After getting him out I asked him if he learned anything from getting stuck. His response was "I need bigger tires and some lockers". I just rolled my eyes in disgust.
Not all was lost, I did convince him to buy a 8,000lb Harbor Freight winch. Since then, it has pulled him out two more times. That $299 he spent has been priceless.
#17
actually baja trucks are 4wheel drive....when gas is applied heavily, the 4wheel drive is engaged, when you let off the gas, it goes into 2wheel drive. It does this so the drivers can sling the back end around turns and then give it gas to bring it straight on the track again....a very usefull feature and its pretty cool if you have ever been to a race
I would also think that it depends on the terrain you are on...if you live in a place where there are no rocks, i would think a locker would help alot more then a lift..simply because you can break through dirt/mud. bottoming out and as long as you have momentum,,,you will be fine most of the time...on the rocks...i would think you need both...more so the lift so you dont get hung up and not be able to move at all
I would also think that it depends on the terrain you are on...if you live in a place where there are no rocks, i would think a locker would help alot more then a lift..simply because you can break through dirt/mud. bottoming out and as long as you have momentum,,,you will be fine most of the time...on the rocks...i would think you need both...more so the lift so you dont get hung up and not be able to move at all
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I've experienced the complete opposite. I sat on a trail behind a guy that was really stuck but had superior traction on the left front and right rear tire. The right front was spinning in mud and the left rear was spinning up in the air. It had open diffs, 35s and a 6" lift. I hit the rear locker and had no problem through the same section.
I think that both sides are correct. If the terrain has limited traction and/or tires leave the ground then lockers will work better, if it calls for ground clearance and approach/departure angles, the lifted vehicle will be better.
Lifted + Big Tires + Lockers are the best (at a bare minimum on 1 end of the vehicle if cost is an issue).
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I've experienced the complete opposite. I sat on a trail behind a guy that was really stuck but had superior traction on the left front and right rear tire. The right front was spinning in mud and the left rear was spinning up in the air. It had open diffs, 35s and a 6" lift. I hit the rear locker and had no problem through the same section.
I think that both sides are correct. If the terrain has limited traction and/or tires leave the ground then lockers will work better, if it calls for ground clearance and approach/departure angles, the lifted vehicle will be better.
Lifted + Big Tires + Lockers are the best (at a bare minimum on 1 end of the vehicle if cost is an issue).
I think that both sides are correct. If the terrain has limited traction and/or tires leave the ground then lockers will work better, if it calls for ground clearance and approach/departure angles, the lifted vehicle will be better.
Lifted + Big Tires + Lockers are the best (at a bare minimum on 1 end of the vehicle if cost is an issue).
Learning to drive.
If he did some brake or e-brake modulation he may have made it
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Build the rig for the trail...if you have doubts about making it through a certain area with your rig, dont take it there unless you are prepared for the worst...getting stuck and having to drag your rig out with or without damage.
I will likely spool the rear diff, and get around the turning issue mentioned with a 2 stick TC...I have seen some slick moves performed with a "front dig" or rear spin using an Atlas, where you would have thought it was impossible to get the Jeep turned the right way.
The best way to find out if you need to go higher, or bigger, or get lockers, or whatever, is to get out there and wheel it. Recovery gear and not wheeling alone (always have a rig on the trail that can make it through for sure and get you out) is the key to not getting stranded because you picked a trail that owned your rig instead of the other way around.
I will likely spool the rear diff, and get around the turning issue mentioned with a 2 stick TC...I have seen some slick moves performed with a "front dig" or rear spin using an Atlas, where you would have thought it was impossible to get the Jeep turned the right way.
The best way to find out if you need to go higher, or bigger, or get lockers, or whatever, is to get out there and wheel it. Recovery gear and not wheeling alone (always have a rig on the trail that can make it through for sure and get you out) is the key to not getting stranded because you picked a trail that owned your rig instead of the other way around.