what determines the ride quality? Shock or Coil
04-14-2010, 06:20 PM
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actually, i still am running an OME lift but i now have the taller coils. as far as additions go, yes, i installed front and rear jks adjustable track bars, adjustable northridge4x4 sway bar links in the rear and jks quick disconnects up front. now that i'm a bit taller, i have extended brake lines, OME long travel shocks and a coast 1310 front driveshaft.
04-14-2010, 06:27 PM
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Righto, just like when you see a fat ugly woman with a guy who thinks she looks like a supermodel and the ride is good, and vice versa. Everything can be subjective. haha. I went through a bb, and two different sets of coils, 3 different sets of shocks with the coils. Finally somewhat happy now.
04-14-2010, 06:30 PM
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Righto, just like when you see a fat ugly woman with a guy who thinks she looks like a supermodel and the ride is good, and vice versa. Everything can be subjective. haha. I went through a bb, and two different sets of coils, 3 different sets of shocks with the coils. Finally somewhat happy now.
04-14-2010, 06:51 PM
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Hmmm
Well, thats a misleading answer...the question was what's most important, which DETERMINES RIDE QUALITY, not which is more likely to be screwed up by buying a lift.
So, sure, if you go with a coil of short height but a high spring rate, it might be too stiff for the weight of the jeep, so that all of the coil related issues can be present, as I had mentioned before.
On the other hand, if you SELECT that coil, assuming you did your homework and did some math to calculate what spring rate, etc, you might WANT....it might result in a range that works for you.
On the third hand, if you lift the jeep, you need different shocks, and, you should also do some math, and determine what valving range and so forth THEY should be.
If you screw that up, even if you picked the "right coils", its still not going to ride "right" .
As shocks are more variable than coils in availability for example, its typically EASIER to start with the coils, and then pick shocks that make sense...which is the application that you are talking about, a practical chronology....but, not a DETERMINATION by either per se.
So, from a practical stand point, you really DO need to sweat the details if you care about the results...and, as you mentioned, the lift you buy off the rack probably used too stiff a coil and the wrong shocks to damp the motions.
I've personally just done the math, and picked stuff that seemed to work for me...but, I've also had to fix buddies rigs that were simply out of synch suspension-wise.
Changing to a more appropriate coil, or, a more appropriate shock, or both, can fix things, as can changing tire pressures and loosening over tightened bushings, etc.
I tend to look for what ever solution is cheapest first...rather than just saying its the coils being too stiff and calling it a day w/o checking it out.
Well, thats a misleading answer...the question was what's most important, which DETERMINES RIDE QUALITY, not which is more likely to be screwed up by buying a lift.
So, sure, if you go with a coil of short height but a high spring rate, it might be too stiff for the weight of the jeep, so that all of the coil related issues can be present, as I had mentioned before.
On the other hand, if you SELECT that coil, assuming you did your homework and did some math to calculate what spring rate, etc, you might WANT....it might result in a range that works for you.
On the third hand, if you lift the jeep, you need different shocks, and, you should also do some math, and determine what valving range and so forth THEY should be.
If you screw that up, even if you picked the "right coils", its still not going to ride "right" .
As shocks are more variable than coils in availability for example, its typically EASIER to start with the coils, and then pick shocks that make sense...which is the application that you are talking about, a practical chronology....but, not a DETERMINATION by either per se.
So, from a practical stand point, you really DO need to sweat the details if you care about the results...and, as you mentioned, the lift you buy off the rack probably used too stiff a coil and the wrong shocks to damp the motions.
I've personally just done the math, and picked stuff that seemed to work for me...but, I've also had to fix buddies rigs that were simply out of synch suspension-wise.
Changing to a more appropriate coil, or, a more appropriate shock, or both, can fix things, as can changing tire pressures and loosening over tightened bushings, etc.
I tend to look for what ever solution is cheapest first...rather than just saying its the coils being too stiff and calling it a day w/o checking it out.
04-14-2010, 07:19 PM
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thanks TEEJ
TEEJ:
Can you share with me on how you do the calculation on spring rate, valve range etc.
I am very interested in this part. I would like to make a educated guess before buying.
Thanks!
Can you share with me on how you do the calculation on spring rate, valve range etc.
I am very interested in this part. I would like to make a educated guess before buying.
Thanks!
04-14-2010, 07:22 PM
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actually, i still am running an OME lift but i now have the taller coils. as far as additions go, yes, i installed front and rear jks adjustable track bars, adjustable northridge4x4 sway bar links in the rear and jks quick disconnects up front. now that i'm a bit taller, i have extended brake lines, OME long travel shocks and a coast 1310 front driveshaft.
04-14-2010, 08:40 PM
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Hmmm
Well, thats a misleading answer...the question was what's most important, which DETERMINES RIDE QUALITY, not which is more likely to be screwed up by buying a lift.
So, sure, if you go with a coil of short height but a high spring rate, it might be too stiff for the weight of the jeep, so that all of the coil related issues can be present, as I had mentioned before.
On the other hand, if you SELECT that coil, assuming you did your homework and did some math to calculate what spring rate, etc, you might WANT....it might result in a range that works for you.
On the third hand, if you lift the jeep, you need different shocks, and, you should also do some math, and determine what valving range and so forth THEY should be.
If you screw that up, even if you picked the "right coils", its still not going to ride "right" .
As shocks are more variable than coils in availability for example, its typically EASIER to start with the coils, and then pick shocks that make sense...which is the application that you are talking about, a practical chronology....but, not a DETERMINATION by either per se.
So, from a practical stand point, you really DO need to sweat the details if you care about the results...and, as you mentioned, the lift you buy off the rack probably used too stiff a coil and the wrong shocks to damp the motions.
I've personally just done the math, and picked stuff that seemed to work for me...but, I've also had to fix buddies rigs that were simply out of synch suspension-wise.
Changing to a more appropriate coil, or, a more appropriate shock, or both, can fix things, as can changing tire pressures and loosening over tightened bushings, etc.
I tend to look for what ever solution is cheapest first...rather than just saying its the coils being too stiff and calling it a day w/o checking it out.
Well, thats a misleading answer...the question was what's most important, which DETERMINES RIDE QUALITY, not which is more likely to be screwed up by buying a lift.
So, sure, if you go with a coil of short height but a high spring rate, it might be too stiff for the weight of the jeep, so that all of the coil related issues can be present, as I had mentioned before.
On the other hand, if you SELECT that coil, assuming you did your homework and did some math to calculate what spring rate, etc, you might WANT....it might result in a range that works for you.
On the third hand, if you lift the jeep, you need different shocks, and, you should also do some math, and determine what valving range and so forth THEY should be.
If you screw that up, even if you picked the "right coils", its still not going to ride "right" .
As shocks are more variable than coils in availability for example, its typically EASIER to start with the coils, and then pick shocks that make sense...which is the application that you are talking about, a practical chronology....but, not a DETERMINATION by either per se.
So, from a practical stand point, you really DO need to sweat the details if you care about the results...and, as you mentioned, the lift you buy off the rack probably used too stiff a coil and the wrong shocks to damp the motions.
I've personally just done the math, and picked stuff that seemed to work for me...but, I've also had to fix buddies rigs that were simply out of synch suspension-wise.
Changing to a more appropriate coil, or, a more appropriate shock, or both, can fix things, as can changing tire pressures and loosening over tightened bushings, etc.
I tend to look for what ever solution is cheapest first...rather than just saying its the coils being too stiff and calling it a day w/o checking it out.
is it possible for you to just
answer a simple question
without writing a
doublespaced dissertation
about nothing?
seriously, you talk about math and spring rates like it's something anyone could do with a measuring tape and some chewing gum. if it's really so easy to figure out, please, enlighten us just how you can simply look at coils that you don't even physically have in your hands and SELECT one that would be a perfect match for your subjective taste and based soley on your calculated spring rate using some "math". i mean hell, i can't even get most manufacturers to tell me what spring rates they use let alone know if it'd be something i'd personally prefer even if they did tell me. so please, do tell all so that the rest of us can look for the cheapest solution first just like you.
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