Tire rotation.
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A spare is just that. SPARE. You dont put a spare on for shits and giggles. You put a spare on because a tire is FLAT, and you have no other OPTIONS to DRIVE the JEEP out of whatever shithole you currently have a flat in.
So why would you chance damaging the spare by rotating it in?
My spare is squeaky clean. If I change tires to a different size or brand, i'll sell it on craigslist.
The tires don't last 20% longer. You can use them for a 20% longer time, but then you have to buy five tires.
What do I know? I just worked at Les Schwab Tire Center for two years.
I'm probably guessing
Ive got 22,000 on my Toyos and they'll go another 20,000
So why would you chance damaging the spare by rotating it in?
My spare is squeaky clean. If I change tires to a different size or brand, i'll sell it on craigslist.
The tires don't last 20% longer. You can use them for a 20% longer time, but then you have to buy five tires.
What do I know? I just worked at Les Schwab Tire Center for two years.
I'm probably guessing
Ive got 22,000 on my Toyos and they'll go another 20,000
Unless you rotate a tire that should have been replaced into the spare location, how would you ever have a spare that's in any worse shape than the tires on the ground?
Tires "age out" after about 7 years due to chemistry changes inside the tire, so if a spare doesn't get used its just gonna get thrown away (or should have been). Why buy a tire to throw away when it could have helped you get another 20% of miles from the set. Of course if you are a tire dealer that's how you'd want it.
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Originally Posted by Freewill
This make little sense. Rotating 5 tires does make sense.
Unless you rotate a tire that should have been replaced into the spare location, how would you ever have a spare that's in any worse shape than the tires on the ground?
Tires "age out" after about 7 years due to chemistry changes inside the tire, so if a spare doesn't get used its just gonna get thrown away (or should have been). Why buy a tire to throw away when it could have helped you get another 20% of miles from the set. Of course if you are a tire dealer that's how you'd want it.
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I've asked around since this thread started. The only professional who had anything negative to say about rotating 5 said that changing direction on some radial tires causes ply problems in the sidewall (those dips and bulges you sometimes see).
I can't think of any way to rotate 5 without the tires changing direction - but if the tires you have will forgive the direction change then there seems to be no reason to leave the spare on the tailgate.
Also, it wouldn't help MT tires to wear better if the rotation didn't include changing the direction of travel.
Guess this is just one more thing where you listen to everyone and then do what seems right.
I can't think of any way to rotate 5 without the tires changing direction - but if the tires you have will forgive the direction change then there seems to be no reason to leave the spare on the tailgate.
Also, it wouldn't help MT tires to wear better if the rotation didn't include changing the direction of travel.
Guess this is just one more thing where you listen to everyone and then do what seems right.
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4 tire rotation I'd pick "A".
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5 tire rotation I use "G" every 5k when changing oil.
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5 tire rotation I use "G" every 5k when changing oil.
Lets say you blow a tire through a sidewall and it cannot be plugged. You would want your spare to be balanced and even wear with the rest. I think that is a good enough reason for me. 20% extra wear is a bonus.
DIY SIDE NOTE TIPS
I got my 6 ton jack stands at Harbor Freight for pretty cheap. I have 4 stands to rotate them all at once. So the method I use is parking break. Chocks behind the rear wheels that are locked by the parking break. Jack up the front and put the jacks under the axles, then jack up the rear. It's OK to use a floor jack off the differential casing to get the floor jack stands in place.
I would loosen the lugs a quarter turn before jacking the Jeep up. The wheels are going to want to rotate if there in the air. I don't have an impact drill. I got a socket adapter for my cordless drill at NAPA and was able to take the lugs off really fast after just a bit of loosening.
95 ft/lb is the recommended torque. I've read they put them on at 110 at the factory, but you want to be careful about over tightening alloy wheels. You want to put the lugs on in a star pattern a bit at a time. With the Jeep jacked up just get them nice and hand tight (or small ratchet) were there is no slack or wiggle in the tire. Then lower the Jeep. Use a torque wrench with the Jeep on the ground to give the lugs the full torque. It's my understanding that if you fully tighten them while in the air it will be very hard to get the lugs off the next time.
Last edited by Rooster76; 08-28-2012 at 02:02 PM. Reason: clarify
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Thanks Rooster for all the info. I'm definitely going to start using this method. And No it's not ok to jack off the rear differential!!!! Had to throw that out there.
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Originally Posted by fivenote
My shop rotates mine at every oil change - about 3-5k miles. I'm getting a nice even wear on the 5 tires.