Superchips Adavanced Transmission Tuning Schedule
02-08-2012 | 04:35 AM
#11
JK Junkie
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Here's a link to someone that has done some of the work. It might serve as a good starting point.
h t t p s://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?authkey=CJ3VutoF&key=0Al5dHCzqwvzgdFJrZ3BRTW5n aGF3TE54M0ZZLVA0WkE&hl=en&authkey=CJ3VutoF#gid=0
Again, I don't have an auto JK so I can't be of a whole lot of help here. On my Dodge Ram, things are set up so I don't need to fully stab the throttle to make it kick down and go, just some moderate pressure. With the stock settings, I would need to really punch it to get it to kick down a gear and quickly back off so it didn't have so much throttle in the lower gear.
My guess is there are a few people that will really embrace this and there will be a good exchange of shift schedules. With the Dodge Ram crowd, there were quite a few guys who worked on it in beta, and by the time it was done there was a pretty big collection of schedules. From all I have read here on the automatics, this crowd is in way more need of shift point adjustments than the Ram crew as there was always a fair amount of power to deal with unlike what happens when you lug the JKs 3.8L.
h t t p s://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?authkey=CJ3VutoF&key=0Al5dHCzqwvzgdFJrZ3BRTW5n aGF3TE54M0ZZLVA0WkE&hl=en&authkey=CJ3VutoF#gid=0
Again, I don't have an auto JK so I can't be of a whole lot of help here. On my Dodge Ram, things are set up so I don't need to fully stab the throttle to make it kick down and go, just some moderate pressure. With the stock settings, I would need to really punch it to get it to kick down a gear and quickly back off so it didn't have so much throttle in the lower gear.
My guess is there are a few people that will really embrace this and there will be a good exchange of shift schedules. With the Dodge Ram crowd, there were quite a few guys who worked on it in beta, and by the time it was done there was a pretty big collection of schedules. From all I have read here on the automatics, this crowd is in way more need of shift point adjustments than the Ram crew as there was always a fair amount of power to deal with unlike what happens when you lug the JKs 3.8L.
02-08-2012 | 10:26 AM
#12
JK Junkie
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I reached out to Sil, a guy that was a beta tester on the trans option for a Hemi Ram, and he more than graciously granted his permission to re-post some of his stuff. It was all very helpful for me and I'm sure you guys will feel the same way.
I'll get on this in the evening so there are some more resources available.
I'll get on this in the evening so there are some more resources available.
02-08-2012 | 10:54 AM
#13
JK Freak
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I reached out to Sil, a guy that was a beta tester on the trans option for a Hemi Ram, and he more than graciously granted his permission to re-post some of his stuff. It was all very helpful for me and I'm sure you guys will feel the same way.
I'll get on this in the evening so there are some more resources available.
I'll get on this in the evening so there are some more resources available.
02-08-2012 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JPop
Here's a link to someone that has done some of the work. It might serve as a good starting point.
h t t p s://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?authkey=CJ3VutoF&key=0Al5dHCzqwvzgdFJrZ3BRTW5n aGF3TE54M0ZZLVA0WkE&hl=en&authkey=CJ3VutoF#gid=0
Again, I don't have an auto JK so I can't be of a whole lot of help here. On my Dodge Ram, things are set up so I don't need to fully stab the throttle to make it kick down and go, just some moderate pressure. With the stock settings, I would need to really punch it to get it to kick down a gear and quickly back off so it didn't have so much throttle in the lower gear.
My guess is there are a few people that will really embrace this and there will be a good exchange of shift schedules. With the Dodge Ram crowd, there were quite a few guys who worked on it in beta, and by the time it was done there was a pretty big collection of schedules. From all I have read here on the automatics, this crowd is in way more need of shift point adjustments than the Ram crew as there was always a fair amount of power to deal with unlike what happens when you lug the JKs 3.8L.
h t t p s://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?authkey=CJ3VutoF&key=0Al5dHCzqwvzgdFJrZ3BRTW5n aGF3TE54M0ZZLVA0WkE&hl=en&authkey=CJ3VutoF#gid=0
Again, I don't have an auto JK so I can't be of a whole lot of help here. On my Dodge Ram, things are set up so I don't need to fully stab the throttle to make it kick down and go, just some moderate pressure. With the stock settings, I would need to really punch it to get it to kick down a gear and quickly back off so it didn't have so much throttle in the lower gear.
My guess is there are a few people that will really embrace this and there will be a good exchange of shift schedules. With the Dodge Ram crowd, there were quite a few guys who worked on it in beta, and by the time it was done there was a pretty big collection of schedules. From all I have read here on the automatics, this crowd is in way more need of shift point adjustments than the Ram crew as there was always a fair amount of power to deal with unlike what happens when you lug the JKs 3.8L.
02-08-2012 | 02:11 PM
#15
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02-08-2012 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JPop
Removed the spaces from https and it worked for me.
I'll also be posting more details to get you guys underway this evening.
02-08-2012 | 05:32 PM
#17
JK Junkie
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Currently at a standstill on this as I need to get together a base spreadsheet for the 42RLE. I'm hoping Sil has something for me, otherwise I'll build it out from scratch.
The data part is pretty easy, it's just having some consistency with what's out there for other platforms and a visual reference in the graphs.
The data part is pretty easy, it's just having some consistency with what's out there for other platforms and a visual reference in the graphs.
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02-08-2012 | 06:11 PM
#18
JK Junkie
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OK some primer stuff, from Sil
Some helpful information about the advanced transmission options:
Quote:
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[TD="class: alt2, bgcolor: #F1F1F1"]Originally Posted by SilsHemi
__________________________________________________ _______________
Just an FYI to all and a very important step during the transmission options upgrade process.
In order to upgrade to the transmission options, you must be VIN locked (your JK has to be tuned) during the upgrade.
If you are not VIN locked (your JK is tuned) during the upgrade, the upgrade will fail.
Locking the tuner to your vehicle is a necessary step to electronically sign the legal waiver and authorize the upgrade.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________________________
There's shift logic built into the program. It won't allow you to stack shifts. Excellent safety feature.
The most important part of setting your shift schedule is, just be mindful not to cross your up and down shifts. This is where you can force an up and down shift loop. The excel graph gives you a good visual of how this could happen and is the number one reason you should use the graphs for visual confirmation.
You can set the up and down shifts closer. The closer, the quicker the up and down shift will transition, but stay away from overlap (please see WRONG example picture). I've attached two example graphs to give you an idea. The first one is fine, the second is not.
RIGHT:
WRONG:
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New feature.
The feature will allow the user to choose Stock TM or Superchips TM, with either the Stock shift schedule or Superchips shift schedule. This will allow you to use Superchips tuning with any combination mentioned.
This is an either/or option. It does not offer the ability to fine tune like the advanced transmission options.
It's a nice feature for those folks who prefer the stock schedule or stock torque management, with Superchips tuning.
The transmission options are VIN specific. They can't be moved from one VIN to another VIN.
The upgrade fee would apply to any new VIN.
Keep this in mind when sharing user shift schedules.
It's preferable you share shift schedules within the same model year. The reason being, throttle position percentages vary from year to year. Keep in mind they can still vary in the same year of truck in some circumstances.
Example: A 2007 Ram 2500 will not have the same throttle positions as a 2007 Ram 1500.
They may be similar in this case, but there will be variances.
Another tip.
When inputting a shift schedule, you may not have the max MPH value in a particular TP% available. Don't worry. As you enter your 100% values for the next shift points (2,3, etc.), you can go back to those previous shifts and your max MPH value will have increased. Now you can input the MPH values that previously could not be reached.
This is simply the shift logic safety feature kicking in and protecting you from stacking shifts.
[TABLE="width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="class: alt2, bgcolor: #F1F1F1"]Just a reminder in regards to torque management.
Setting torque management to 0% will not yield the best results. Leaving some TM in the mix produces a quicker shift.
The beta testers confirmed this during testing.
From the FAQ:
Q: Should I set torque management to 0% or leave in some percentage?
A: You should leave some TM in all of the shifts because the shifts will complete quicker with some load reduction. 0% doesn't necessarily mean a quicker shift; it means the engine is not reducing power during the shift. Think about it in the sense of friction, if you are applying torque to the transmission, the higher the friction. If you reduce it a little the lower the friction and this is a non-linear reduction. Too much torque and the truck will lag its shifts.
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Another reminder.
Superchips has no input in these schedules whatsoever and they will not be providing any USER shift schedules. This is totally a USER custom tuning product for your transmission.
The reason for this reminder is, everyone has different thoughts on how our JKs should shift. Invariably there will be folks who load up a personal shift schedule and not like part of the schedule. This is when the USER comes into play and makes the necessary adjustments in the schedule to their liking.
Again, this is a USER custom tuning product. Please keep this in mind when working with the tuning.
Some helpful information about the advanced transmission options:
Quote:
[TABLE="width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="class: alt2, bgcolor: #F1F1F1"]Originally Posted by SilsHemi
__________________________________________________ _______________
Just an FYI to all and a very important step during the transmission options upgrade process.
In order to upgrade to the transmission options, you must be VIN locked (your JK has to be tuned) during the upgrade.
If you are not VIN locked (your JK is tuned) during the upgrade, the upgrade will fail.
Locking the tuner to your vehicle is a necessary step to electronically sign the legal waiver and authorize the upgrade.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________________________
There's shift logic built into the program. It won't allow you to stack shifts. Excellent safety feature.
The most important part of setting your shift schedule is, just be mindful not to cross your up and down shifts. This is where you can force an up and down shift loop. The excel graph gives you a good visual of how this could happen and is the number one reason you should use the graphs for visual confirmation.
You can set the up and down shifts closer. The closer, the quicker the up and down shift will transition, but stay away from overlap (please see WRONG example picture). I've attached two example graphs to give you an idea. The first one is fine, the second is not.
RIGHT:
WRONG:
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
New feature.
The feature will allow the user to choose Stock TM or Superchips TM, with either the Stock shift schedule or Superchips shift schedule. This will allow you to use Superchips tuning with any combination mentioned.
This is an either/or option. It does not offer the ability to fine tune like the advanced transmission options.
It's a nice feature for those folks who prefer the stock schedule or stock torque management, with Superchips tuning.
The transmission options are VIN specific. They can't be moved from one VIN to another VIN.
The upgrade fee would apply to any new VIN.
Keep this in mind when sharing user shift schedules.
It's preferable you share shift schedules within the same model year. The reason being, throttle position percentages vary from year to year. Keep in mind they can still vary in the same year of truck in some circumstances.
Example: A 2007 Ram 2500 will not have the same throttle positions as a 2007 Ram 1500.
They may be similar in this case, but there will be variances.
Another tip.
When inputting a shift schedule, you may not have the max MPH value in a particular TP% available. Don't worry. As you enter your 100% values for the next shift points (2,3, etc.), you can go back to those previous shifts and your max MPH value will have increased. Now you can input the MPH values that previously could not be reached.
This is simply the shift logic safety feature kicking in and protecting you from stacking shifts.
[TABLE="width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="class: alt2, bgcolor: #F1F1F1"]Just a reminder in regards to torque management.
Setting torque management to 0% will not yield the best results. Leaving some TM in the mix produces a quicker shift.
The beta testers confirmed this during testing.
From the FAQ:
Q: Should I set torque management to 0% or leave in some percentage?
A: You should leave some TM in all of the shifts because the shifts will complete quicker with some load reduction. 0% doesn't necessarily mean a quicker shift; it means the engine is not reducing power during the shift. Think about it in the sense of friction, if you are applying torque to the transmission, the higher the friction. If you reduce it a little the lower the friction and this is a non-linear reduction. Too much torque and the truck will lag its shifts.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Another reminder.
Superchips has no input in these schedules whatsoever and they will not be providing any USER shift schedules. This is totally a USER custom tuning product for your transmission.
The reason for this reminder is, everyone has different thoughts on how our JKs should shift. Invariably there will be folks who load up a personal shift schedule and not like part of the schedule. This is when the USER comes into play and makes the necessary adjustments in the schedule to their liking.
Again, this is a USER custom tuning product. Please keep this in mind when working with the tuning.
02-08-2012 | 07:45 PM
#19
JK Enthusiast
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From: USA
Does something special have to be done to get the advanced tuning option available for download? My superchips is vin locked and updated but when plugged into my computer the store only shows the unlock vin option available. It shows I have downloaded the TPMS and data logging options which I have.
02-08-2012 | 08:34 PM
#20
JK Freak
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 889
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From: Fargo, ND
Does something special have to be done to get the advanced tuning option available for download? My superchips is vin locked and updated but when plugged into my computer the store only shows the unlock vin option available. It shows I have downloaded the TPMS and data logging options which I have.