Spidertrax Wheel Spacer Safety
#11
Widewing's explanation is much better than my "had my spacers on for over 3 years on two different JK's and they are fine with almost 40K miles combined on them"...
I was thinking that the 1.5" aluminum spacer would be slightly stronger than the thin alloy "made in China" factory alloy rims....
I've only seen one person with a set that failed, and he admitted that the wheels were not mounted properly.
I was thinking that the 1.5" aluminum spacer would be slightly stronger than the thin alloy "made in China" factory alloy rims....
I've only seen one person with a set that failed, and he admitted that the wheels were not mounted properly.
Last edited by armycop; 05-17-2010 at 11:54 PM.
#12
In another thread, I chronicled how we performed an FEA (Finite Element Analysis) on a Spidertrax spacer (1.5") and a factory Moab wheel.
"I recently installed a set of 1.5" Spidertrax spacers. However, prior to doing so, I took one of them, along with my spare wheel, into our engineering lab.
We modeled both in 3D using the latest NX CAD software. We did this by reverse engineering. That means taking all dimensions and determining the materials.
We identified the wheel material as alloy 356-T6. The spacers are made from 6061-T6 alloy. 356-T6 has tensile strength of 30,000 PSI. 6061-T6 has a tensile strength of 45,000 PSI. This means that in reference to the basic materials, the spacer is 50% stronger than the wheel for a given thickness, and the spacer is much thicker in section.
We ran an extremely complex finite element analysis of both to determine where peak stresses are and where each component is most likely to fail. The result is what I expected. In short, spacers are not the weak link. The wheel itself is 2x more likely to fail under severe loading than the well designed spacer.
Now, let me qualify our findings. Our corporate engineering team has designed significant portions of the Airbus A350 landing gear system. We engineered the latest landing gear system for the Boeing CH-47. Our hardware is on the F-35, F/A-18, F-16 and a number of other aircraft.
This same engineering team has analyzed the Spirdertrax spacers and concluded that they are extremely strong, stronger than they need to be. Over engineered. These spacers are utterly safe if installed properly. Like an offset wheel, they may accelerate bearing wear, but the offset is so little as to be of no great significance.
I installed the spacers very carefully. Not knowing specifically what brand and type of threadlocker compound was provided with the spacers, I tossed it and used Loctite 271 Red. Each spacer was torqued to recommended specs in a star pattern. The wheel was then installed and torqued to 95 lb/ft.
After about 150 miles, I pulled off the rear wheels and checked the spacer lug nut torque. No change... I'll re-check torque at each tire rotation.
Installed correctly, Spidertrax wheel spacers are not only safe, they're stronger than the wheels you bolt to them."
I didn't mention that we found areas of stress concentration in the factory wheels. We were able to pinpoint the most likely location of failure. I'll explain where that is...
The Factory Moabs have spotfaces milled into the wheel hub to provide clearance for assembly washers used during manufacture to secure the brake rotors on the hub prior to final assembly. Using an endmill, each lug hole is spotfaced on the inside (think of a spotface as a shallow counterbore). The edges and corners of these spotfaces are quite sharp. This is where the FEA predicted the greatest concentration of stress. Unfortunately, this is also adjacent to the where the studs transmit all rotational torque into the wheel. The failure to radius edges and corners is what leads to stress concentration. If your Moab is going to fail at the hub, it will crack at a spotface.
In short, Tom and Eddie at Spidertrax have designed and engineered a very high quality spacer, that if properly installed, will provide you with many years of problem free and safe use.
"I recently installed a set of 1.5" Spidertrax spacers. However, prior to doing so, I took one of them, along with my spare wheel, into our engineering lab.
We modeled both in 3D using the latest NX CAD software. We did this by reverse engineering. That means taking all dimensions and determining the materials.
We identified the wheel material as alloy 356-T6. The spacers are made from 6061-T6 alloy. 356-T6 has tensile strength of 30,000 PSI. 6061-T6 has a tensile strength of 45,000 PSI. This means that in reference to the basic materials, the spacer is 50% stronger than the wheel for a given thickness, and the spacer is much thicker in section.
We ran an extremely complex finite element analysis of both to determine where peak stresses are and where each component is most likely to fail. The result is what I expected. In short, spacers are not the weak link. The wheel itself is 2x more likely to fail under severe loading than the well designed spacer.
Now, let me qualify our findings. Our corporate engineering team has designed significant portions of the Airbus A350 landing gear system. We engineered the latest landing gear system for the Boeing CH-47. Our hardware is on the F-35, F/A-18, F-16 and a number of other aircraft.
This same engineering team has analyzed the Spirdertrax spacers and concluded that they are extremely strong, stronger than they need to be. Over engineered. These spacers are utterly safe if installed properly. Like an offset wheel, they may accelerate bearing wear, but the offset is so little as to be of no great significance.
I installed the spacers very carefully. Not knowing specifically what brand and type of threadlocker compound was provided with the spacers, I tossed it and used Loctite 271 Red. Each spacer was torqued to recommended specs in a star pattern. The wheel was then installed and torqued to 95 lb/ft.
After about 150 miles, I pulled off the rear wheels and checked the spacer lug nut torque. No change... I'll re-check torque at each tire rotation.
Installed correctly, Spidertrax wheel spacers are not only safe, they're stronger than the wheels you bolt to them."
I didn't mention that we found areas of stress concentration in the factory wheels. We were able to pinpoint the most likely location of failure. I'll explain where that is...
The Factory Moabs have spotfaces milled into the wheel hub to provide clearance for assembly washers used during manufacture to secure the brake rotors on the hub prior to final assembly. Using an endmill, each lug hole is spotfaced on the inside (think of a spotface as a shallow counterbore). The edges and corners of these spotfaces are quite sharp. This is where the FEA predicted the greatest concentration of stress. Unfortunately, this is also adjacent to the where the studs transmit all rotational torque into the wheel. The failure to radius edges and corners is what leads to stress concentration. If your Moab is going to fail at the hub, it will crack at a spotface.
In short, Tom and Eddie at Spidertrax have designed and engineered a very high quality spacer, that if properly installed, will provide you with many years of problem free and safe use.
#13
Spidertrax VS Rough Country Spacers??
Is there an advantage that Spidertraxs offer over any other spacer or are they just the most popular? Noticed RC spacers are $59.95 vs $100 for the ST. Anyone have any issues with the RC version?
#15
Searched for an hour and came up with this awesome article by Widewing
https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/show...=1#post1696817
https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/show...=1#post1696817
#16
I was very impressed with the quality of the spidertrax spacers I have. However, I decided to not use them and go with aftermarket wheels with a larger offset. I am ASE certified and currently going to school for engineering. I have worked on all types of equipment from lawn mowers to submarines and I believe the quality of Spidertrax spacers are top notch. I havent had any experience with any other brand to elaborate on.
#17
Buy which ever one you want. They are both made of the same material and are both hub centric. You are going to be inundated with people telling you to buy this brand one for this reason or buy the other brand for that reason. I sure you'll get someone telling you "you get what you pay for" or "you pay for quallity" .Save your self the headache.
One of them is really no better than the other.
One of them is really no better than the other.
#18
never ran an RC spacer but, over the years, i have run spidertrax on all my other jeeps at one point and time and never had a problem with them.
#19
Originally Posted by GrimsbyAl
Buy which ever one you want. They are both made of the same material and are both hub centric. You are going to be inundated with people telling you to buy this brand one for this reason or buy the other brand for that reason. I sure you'll get someone telling you "you get what you pay for" or "you pay for quallity" .Save your self the headache.
One of them is really no better than the other.
One of them is really no better than the other.