snorkels... pros & cons
#52
Cons part III
They are useless. Homie needs to justify his purchase/google experience with false claims of cleaner air 3 ft higher. It's silly. Dust just so happens to stay hood level in the desert I guess. A snorkel will help keep air filter clean on a Safari Hunt.
Okay. We all know "the googlez" is "The Truth".....wait I thought Paul Pierce was the Truth. I digress.
Make sure you add a throttlebody spacer to that Snork.
If you really want to fight dust. Use a paper filter and change it often. Or better yet get a centerfuge. Like a Dyson vacuum cleaner.
Ernie
#53
JK Jedi Master
It's not an attack. An attack would mean that I was trying to hurt you. I'm not. It's me experience. I drive a 13JKUR it has 38000 miles on it. I work in the oilfield in Western Oklahoma. The Dust Bowl. My intake is a Banks with K&N filter, 50% of my driving is down dusty dirt roads at 40mph. Before my 13JKUR I owned a 2008 Dodge Mega 4X4 on 37"s with 6" lift with a factory filter. It never once needed a snorkel for dust. Before that, I drove my wife's 2008 Dodge Durango for 40,000 miles on those same dusty roads with a factory air filter. Before that I worked for Halliburton that issued us Ford Crown Victoria's that drove 90% in dusty dirty roads, following 20 pieces of frac equipment pulled by 20 Kenworth Tractor Trailers that did not have Snorkels. On a side note, I drove my Subaru STI to drilling rigs on a regular basis, just to Rally. And it never needed a Snorkel. I believe I have experienced the dusty, silty stuff you write about. I have never felt the need to run a snorkel. Nor do the other Oilfield Consultants that I employ for drilling and fracing wells. In my opinion snorkels to combat dust is a weak excuse. It's not any cleaner 3 ft higher when we drive through 15ft dust clouds.
I have not been Safari Hunting, but I know a guy that does is for a living and they have some insane rains storms. He actually buried a Range Rover, it did not have a snorkel.
It probably could have used one.
Like I said, whatever excuse you need to sport your snorkled Sport.
Good luck with you purchase. I'll try to find pics of all my rides......all snork less. Except for the STI is had a scoop for intercooler. I digress.
Thanks for the invite, I'll pass on the desert. It's kind of chalking and dry, reminds me of work. I prefer Cabo San Lucas beaches and Baja trucks.
Ernie
#54
I empty my snorkel's pre-filter out periodically during especially dusty trips. That is debris that didn't make it to the air filter. Caterpillar and all, and the military must agree, since they equip their gear similarly. And you may wish to reconsider that K&N. OEM paper filters are better. Check out bobstheoilguy's review.
Most cats, cummins and detroits I work around have vortex filters. Not snorkels. We employ frac crews with 15 to 20 units with 2250hp deck engines mated to frac pumps. Just regular pleated round filters.
Ill check out the review. But I know k&n gives up cleaning efficiency for better flow. I can live with that, coupled to regular cleanings.
Ernie
I must rest. Have a good day
#55
JK Super Freak
I have had my AEV snorkel for over 6 years. I got one right when they came out with them. I have stood on it, kneed on it, sat on it, bashed it with tree branches, rubbed it up against a cliff face, and still no visible damage out side of the scuffs. It is one tough Snorkel.
Learn the value of a snorkel before you start dogging them. Good for dust, good for water crossing, good for cold air. And if you think your hood has to be under water to seize your engine, you don't know much. Read up on JK and hydrolocks. The belt will pull water up and throw it up on the inside of the hood. Water travels along the hood and then falls into your intake. Next thing you know, your engine is locked up.
Now while Jeep has added foam to minimize that, it has not stopped it completely. It still happens.
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Learn the value of a snorkel before you start dogging them. Good for dust, good for water crossing, good for cold air. And if you think your hood has to be under water to seize your engine, you don't know much. Read up on JK and hydrolocks. The belt will pull water up and throw it up on the inside of the hood. Water travels along the hood and then falls into your intake. Next thing you know, your engine is locked up.
Now while Jeep has added foam to minimize that, it has not stopped it completely. It still happens.
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#56
JK Super Freak
I went on a hunting safari in South Africa 2 years ago. ALL of their safari vehicles, mostly Toyota Land Cruisers, had AEV style snorkels. They were 100% for the dusty environment. The winter is their operating season, and it is dry and VERY dusty. They told me that none of their vehicles had ever seen a deep water crossing, and that the snorkels were strictly for reducing dust ingestion. They run those vehicles for hundreds of thousands of miles in the dustiest of conditions. The snorkels extend the lives of their engines (and air filters) significantly.
Baja trucks are not meant to be long lived. They wouldn't benefit them enough for their engines' short lives.
Baja trucks are not meant to be long lived. They wouldn't benefit them enough for their engines' short lives.
Only reason I ask is because since getting the lightbar and unable to run the pre filter my air filter has had the life span of a fruit fly.... well maybe not that bad. But its pretty crappy.
#57
I have had my AEV snorkel for over 6 years. I got one right when they came out with them. I have stood on it, kneed on it, sat on it, bashed it with tree branches, rubbed it up against a cliff face, and still no visible damage out side of the scuffs. It is one tough Snorkel.
Learn the value of a snorkel before you start dogging them. Good for dust, good for water crossing, good for cold air. And if you think your hood has to be under water to seize your engine, you don't know much. Read up on JK and hydrolocks. The belt will pull water up and throw it up on the inside of the hood. Water travels along the hood and then falls into your intake. Next thing you know, your engine is locked up.
Now while Jeep has added foam to minimize that, it has not stopped it completely. It still happens.
.
Learn the value of a snorkel before you start dogging them. Good for dust, good for water crossing, good for cold air. And if you think your hood has to be under water to seize your engine, you don't know much. Read up on JK and hydrolocks. The belt will pull water up and throw it up on the inside of the hood. Water travels along the hood and then falls into your intake. Next thing you know, your engine is locked up.
Now while Jeep has added foam to minimize that, it has not stopped it completely. It still happens.
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Snorkels are to Jeep Wranglers like Spoilers are to Honda Civics. Jus fo Sho.
Sorry had to drop that one.
Ernie
#58
by helmet10
It's not an attack. An attack would mean that I was trying to hurt you. I'm not.
It's me experience. I drive a 13JKUR it has 38000 miles on it. I work in the oilfield in Western Oklahoma. The Dust Bowl. My intake is a Banks with K&N filter, 50% of my driving is down dusty dirt roads at 40mph. Before my 13JKUR I owned a 2008 Dodge Mega 4X4 on 37"s with 6" lift with a factory filter. It never once needed a snorkel for dust. Before that, I drove my wife's 2008 Dodge Durango for 40,000 miles on those same dusty roads with a factory air filter. Before that I worked for Halliburton that issued us Ford Crown Victoria's that drove 90% in dusty dirty roads, following 20 pieces of frac equipment pulled by 20 Kenworth Tractor Trailers that did not have Snorkels. On a side note, I drove my Subaru STI to drilling rigs on a regular basis, just to Rally. And it never needed a Snorkel. I believe I have experienced the dusty, silty stuff you write about. I have never felt the need to run a snorkel. Nor do the other Oilfield Consultants that I employ for drilling and fracing wells. In my opinion snorkels to combat dust is a weak excuse. It's not any cleaner 3 ft higher when we drive through 15ft dust clouds.
It's not an attack. An attack would mean that I was trying to hurt you. I'm not.
It's me experience. I drive a 13JKUR it has 38000 miles on it. I work in the oilfield in Western Oklahoma. The Dust Bowl. My intake is a Banks with K&N filter, 50% of my driving is down dusty dirt roads at 40mph. Before my 13JKUR I owned a 2008 Dodge Mega 4X4 on 37"s with 6" lift with a factory filter. It never once needed a snorkel for dust. Before that, I drove my wife's 2008 Dodge Durango for 40,000 miles on those same dusty roads with a factory air filter. Before that I worked for Halliburton that issued us Ford Crown Victoria's that drove 90% in dusty dirty roads, following 20 pieces of frac equipment pulled by 20 Kenworth Tractor Trailers that did not have Snorkels. On a side note, I drove my Subaru STI to drilling rigs on a regular basis, just to Rally. And it never needed a Snorkel. I believe I have experienced the dusty, silty stuff you write about. I have never felt the need to run a snorkel. Nor do the other Oilfield Consultants that I employ for drilling and fracing wells. In my opinion snorkels to combat dust is a weak excuse. It's not any cleaner 3 ft higher when we drive through 15ft dust clouds.
If you didn’t have to often clean the air filters, than what you regard as dust doesn’t come near real sand dust.
Did you ever drive in this kind of sand dust wake? –
You guessed that the dust is hood high. Re-guess...
It seems that not only you never experienced a sand storm, you didn't even see a picture of one.
The following pic' shows what can happen within seconds --
Visibility drops from 6 miles to 100~150 ft.
This is at noon. The hardly visible car ahead is about 120 ft. away:
This is one of the best Dakar rally cars ever made - the Dakar Mini Cooper. They include nothing that isn't absolutely essential. Notice the snorkel... :
Last edited by GJeep; 01-15-2015 at 11:51 AM.
#59
Omg
So, you teachings about snorkels, are based on a guess...
This is one of the best Dakar rally ever made - the Dakar Mini Cooper.
They include nothing that isn't absolutely essential. Notice the snorkel... :
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This is one of the best Dakar rally ever made - the Dakar Mini Cooper.
They include nothing that isn't absolutely essential. Notice the snorkel... :
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LOL, Dude that's a mini Cooper. Feel free to look like that douche bag!
A fart would kill that engine. They forgot the Super Glue. Hood is missing, where is the mouse?
OMG I Just fell out of my Chair.
Last edited by helmet10; 01-15-2015 at 11:08 AM.
#60
The Loess soil we have in the south, in parts of the Negev Desert, makes very fine flour-like fine dust which hangs in the air for a long time.
With no wind, you leave behind a dust wake which can be half a mile long, along the trail.
(The pic' is not from here.)
Last edited by GJeep; 01-15-2015 at 12:17 PM.