P.S. doc

where are your pic's to brag on???

 

sorry, i was just making the statement that most people do not "plan" to roll till after they do.

As for your question with the tie in: It looks like it ties into the cowl and the door jam (why???) but the top of that plate look to be of much suspicion as its design is quite scary. (thin metal and bad design)
The cowl is quite strong so if it does not tie into the floor do not worry as a correctly designed cage can be cowl mounted AND be sufficient. Some of poison spyders stuff is made that way and works well.

I would wait till other makers start catching up on the cage market as hopefully someone ele will offer a better design.



Nor did I say you do.
But I would not wheel that cage in a parking lot much less a trail

pics of what? Pics of my cage? Pics of my rolls? Pics of my Pics?

 

[QUOTE=usmcdoc14;83062]As for your question with the tie in: It looks like it ties into the cowl and the door jam (why???) but the top of that plate look to be of much suspicion as its design is quite scary. (thin metal and bad design)
The cowl is quite strong so if it does not tie into the floor do not worry as a correctly designed cage can be cowl mounted AND be sufficient. Some of poison spyders stuff is made that way and works well.



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I am not fond of the tube to plate design either. I have seen pictures the plate fold on the PS but it did stay intact and I guess that is all that matters, but it would be nice to have it not fold either.

I have a dom front cage in my TJ that goes through the dash and to a plate on the floor. It isn't mounted to the frame but I didn't feel the need and I know that the plate isn't going to push through the floor.

The cage, even though it is bolt-in must provide some additional safely, depending on if the plate goes to the floor.....either way, it must be better than not having it, which is the way 95% of the people will be wheeling their JKs.

 

On a JK???

 

The main thing I have isses with is:
1) the lack of any triangulation that would have been easy to do for no additional cost by losing those center runners/spreaders
2) those center spreaders going to a 90* bend on flat plate over the sound bar. If I can bend flat plate in a vice by hand I am 100% sure that plate will buckle under any forward or reward roll. It seems to look like a lot of effort for a place to just mount a CB.
3) clamps. I HATE friggen clamps on a cage. They slide, spin and move under load. They could have done a sleeved bolt together job (like factory) that would be easy to ship, cost less to make and be stronger.

The dash plate I could live with if the other issues were adressed

 

The cage up front bolts up to the cowl with a thick bar stock brace behind it much like their TJ cage does and in my opinion, this alone should be quite strong. The cage you see in my pics did not mount to the floor but I can tell you that a floor mount kit is offered for TJ/YJ/CJ and I would guess that one would be available for the JK as well.

Regarding some of the comments made concerning the strength of this cage, all I can say is that I have seen a CJ with a Rock Hard cage roll hard multiple times and, although one of the tubes did get bent a bit where it made direct contact with a boulder, none of the clamps failed, moved, slid or spun under the loads it was subjected to and everyone came out of it safely.







As far as the center spreader goes, I should point out that it doesn't just go over the sound bar as is suggested but rather, it bolts up to the steel B-Pillar which is a physical part of the body and designed to protect you in a roll. As far as the rear spreader goes, it attaches to the rear roll bar. Needless to say, the B-Pillar would have to fail in order for the center mounting plate to bend in a roll.

For me personally, I have been quite impressed with the Rock Hard Sport Cages and in spite of all the nay saying I've heard over the years, I have yet to see or hear of a specific case where any of the critisizms being leveled against them or their design features have ever been actualized. And, that's why I decided to install one on my TJ a couple years ago and will most likely install one in my JK as well.

Here are some shots of my TJ cage...







Of couse, everything I say is based on my personal experience and the things I have seen.

 

I have been looking at this cage and I like it. I give Eddie's comments a big thumbs up. If I was going to race my JK with high speeds or hardcore rock krawling competition involved,, then yes I would order a competition roll cage as SCORE requires. But for none competition I think this one is great.

 

i think of sport cages (indeed, any roll cage) like i think of motorcycle/bicycle helmets. it has to do it's job once, then it gets replaced.

 

I am talking about this mount right here:



you telling me that the 90* bent plate with no gussets of any kind and sticking out a good inch or 2 past the sound bar is not going to bend with a center front or center rear hit ?
umm ya..I will get right on that. B pillar is not going to move but that plate is going to bend.
At least the TJ cage has the center bars welded to the clamps. And your TJ cage has triangulation in the back, where the JK cage does not.

 

Nope, I'm not trying to tell you anything at all and I understand what you are trying to say. I guess I'm just not as concerned as you are if it bends a bit under the specific center hit conditions you've stated. Unless the B-Pillar fails (and I think we both agree that it "is not going to move"), I can't personally see how the mount can physically bend anymore than an inch or two at most and I don't have a problem with that. Working in conjunction to the B-Pillar, I think that this sport cage will still provide ample protection. At least, I feel that the protection it offers is significantly greater than the alternative that you seem to be suggesting which is having nothing at all.