My impression of the EVO plush ride springs and Bilstein 5100's
05-12-2016, 09:40 AM
#31
JK Junkie
Anyways. It is all subjective to the driver as one person already said. And Bilsteins with one coil manufacturer isn't gojng to ride the same as a different coil manufacturer and so forth. "Ride great" is subjective to the individual and will include different factors as to what that means for that person.
I have ran Bilstein, fox and Teraflex with different combo of coils. The Bilsteins were much better with the Teraflex coils then stock TO ME. The Teraflex sucked. The fox were a little stiffer then bilstein with the Teraflex coils but I loved them with RK coils. It all depends on shock/coil combo and most importantly THE INDIVIDUAL.
Also can't fully use a stock jeep as a baseline unless your using your stock jeep as a baseline. In which case it doesn't matter what you have on your jeep you can use anything as a baseline. Jeeps have different options and different spring rates and all sorts of stuff that make them all ride different even stock.
05-12-2016, 09:52 AM
#32
JK Super Freak
I've just had education and experience in these types of areas. It's really basic Market research 101 stuff.
I was attempting to share that education/experience and gave some examples to assist in the understanding. You can take it or leave it. I know I'm not going to be able to teach a class on the subject in a forum discussion. The point really is that everyone should have a level of awareness to these types of subjective evaluations when reading through these posts. Like I previously described one person can evaluate the exact same setup/system and say it was the greatest setup they ever experienced. Another person can evaluate the exact same setup and say it's the worst setup/system they have ever experienced. Which then tends to lead to debated discussions/arguments between the two people. Who is wrong and who is right? They're actually both right, but then why are their viewpoints so drastically different when evaluating the same exact setup? According to you, it must be because the person is nuts or dumb. Where really, the difference is with each person's personal experience and previously established reference points at the time they did the evaluation. They've both done an A/B comparisons when evaluating the exact same setup and both are describing their experience with setup "B". However, without knowing what their personal experience reference point is that they are pulling from their memory of "A" an A/B evaluation is meaningless when the person is only describing "B" in their evaluation.
I asked you previously, was your reference point at that time you did the evaluation based on your own personal experience with the RC springs/RC shocks combo which you described as "Jarring"? You ignored that question, where I was just seeking to better understand your baseline reference "A" of when you did the A/B comparison.
I was attempting to share that education/experience and gave some examples to assist in the understanding. You can take it or leave it. I know I'm not going to be able to teach a class on the subject in a forum discussion. The point really is that everyone should have a level of awareness to these types of subjective evaluations when reading through these posts. Like I previously described one person can evaluate the exact same setup/system and say it was the greatest setup they ever experienced. Another person can evaluate the exact same setup and say it's the worst setup/system they have ever experienced. Which then tends to lead to debated discussions/arguments between the two people. Who is wrong and who is right? They're actually both right, but then why are their viewpoints so drastically different when evaluating the same exact setup? According to you, it must be because the person is nuts or dumb. Where really, the difference is with each person's personal experience and previously established reference points at the time they did the evaluation. They've both done an A/B comparisons when evaluating the exact same setup and both are describing their experience with setup "B". However, without knowing what their personal experience reference point is that they are pulling from their memory of "A" an A/B evaluation is meaningless when the person is only describing "B" in their evaluation.
I asked you previously, was your reference point at that time you did the evaluation based on your own personal experience with the RC springs/RC shocks combo which you described as "Jarring"? You ignored that question, where I was just seeking to better understand your baseline reference "A" of when you did the A/B comparison.
05-12-2016, 11:32 AM
#34
Super Moderator
Yep, I should have known better. Too many opinionated closed minded individuals who prefer to make smart-ass remarks instead of attempting to look at things from a different perspective to be able to understand the things they're arguing about.
I guess I gave too much benefit of the doubt that it may be different for some individuals on this forum but when you've finally reached the realization that you're communicating with Beavis & Butthead, there isn't really any incentive to continue on. Beavis & Butthead will continue to be Beavis & Butthead.
Cheers Beavis!!!
I guess I gave too much benefit of the doubt that it may be different for some individuals on this forum but when you've finally reached the realization that you're communicating with Beavis & Butthead, there isn't really any incentive to continue on. Beavis & Butthead will continue to be Beavis & Butthead.
Cheers Beavis!!!
05-12-2016, 11:50 AM
#35
JK Super Freak
Yep, I should have known better. Too many opinionated closed minded individuals who prefer to make smart-ass remarks instead of attempting to look at things from a different perspective to be able to understand the things they're arguing about.
I guess I gave too much benefit of the doubt that it may be different for some individuals on this forum but when you've finally reached the realization that you're communicating with Beavis & Butthead, there isn't really any incentive to continue on. Beavis & Butthead will continue to be Beavis & Butthead.
Cheers Beavis!!!
I guess I gave too much benefit of the doubt that it may be different for some individuals on this forum but when you've finally reached the realization that you're communicating with Beavis & Butthead, there isn't really any incentive to continue on. Beavis & Butthead will continue to be Beavis & Butthead.
Cheers Beavis!!!
. Can you explain your theory again one more time? Im pretty sure I can get it this time 
05-12-2016, 12:16 PM
#36
Super Moderator
05-12-2016, 12:42 PM
#38
JK Junkie
05-12-2016, 01:25 PM
#39
JK Enthusiast
I'm running a TeraFlex 3" lift with 5100 Bilsteins and really don't have anything to compare it to other than a faded memory of when it was stock.
To me it does ride on the stiff side but after airing down to 32psi (I may drop it down a couple more) it made a big difference.
But what I have noticed is when the Jeep is loaded down with gear, tools, suit cases and the tires aired to 38 psi it rides really good down the highway.
But as said before in this thread tire pressure makes a big difference how it rides.
If I posted what springs and shocks that I run right now on WOL they would think I'm nuts (maybe I am)
Got to love those guys for there honesty plus they make great videos✌️
To me it does ride on the stiff side but after airing down to 32psi (I may drop it down a couple more) it made a big difference.
But what I have noticed is when the Jeep is loaded down with gear, tools, suit cases and the tires aired to 38 psi it rides really good down the highway.
But as said before in this thread tire pressure makes a big difference how it rides.
If I posted what springs and shocks that I run right now on WOL they would think I'm nuts (maybe I am)
Got to love those guys for there honesty plus they make great videos✌️
Last edited by MacRubi2; 05-12-2016 at 01:28 PM.
05-12-2016, 01:52 PM
#40
JK Junkie
I'm running a TeraFlex 3" lift with 5100 Bilsteins and really don't have anything to compare it to other than a faded memory of when it was stock. To me it does ride on the stiff side but after airing down to 32psi (I may drop it down a couple more) it made a big difference. But what I have noticed is when the Jeep is loaded down with gear, tools, suit cases and the tires aired to 38 psi it rides really good down the highway. But as said before in this thread tire pressure makes a big difference how it rides. If I posted what springs and shocks that I run right now on WOL they would think I'm nuts (maybe I am) Got to love those guys for there honesty plus they make great videos✌️
On another note, I would definitely air down more. I never ran more than 30. 38 is high