Originally Posted by PhxRainey

Most kits ASSUME that there is going to be heavy stuff loaded on the front of your jeep (Read Bumper, Winch ETC here) what you will see is a level to almost a slight UP front end if you do the lift first. But there is no science here. many times you just have to put the lift on and see how she looks. At that point you can make minor corrections with pucks.

Originally Posted by HardRooster

I'm fully aware of everything the Metal Cloak system has to offer. I've researched it, other lifts, custom suspension and compiled that with my experience wheeling in rigs that aren't Jeeps. I have no purchase to defend, I'm still on the stock suspension. I took my stock Rubicon on the Rubicon with another group of JK's I met on this forum. My stocker went everywhere they did, but was about half as capable as my old K5 on leaf springs. I'm looking at this from outside of the JK box. While I admire the engineering of the 6-PAC shocks, I can't justify the expense. Wheel long enough, with enough people with shocks that bolt below the axle center line and you'll occasionally break shocks. It makes sense to me that you want to run fairly inexpensive stuff if it's going to hang that low and be susceptible to trail damage. I guess if you don't see rocks it wouldn't be a problem. I only wheel in rocks, so I have a bias perspective. Also, it's a rather complex unit. I'm being speculative, but usually complex things have more problems than simple things. Each 6-PAC is like 4 shocks in one. It's also not a reservoir shock, so fade would be a concern of mine as well, if you run them fast anyway. My biggest concern with Metal Cloak, at this time, is long reported turn around times. It takes at least a month in most cases for them to fill an order. I'd be worried I wreck a shock, spend $75 plus shipping to send it in and be without a shock for a month. All in all, that's an expensive gamble, and I'm not the gambling type. The max I could justify spending on a bot on kit is in the $1,500 range. Not because it's a fixed dollar amount, but because it is about all you need to get the JK to around 90% of its capability on stock mount locations. I don't think squeezing the extra little bit of travel the six pack game changer kit offers is worth the extra $2,500. I had 16" travel shocks on my K5 with leaf springs and I made use of all of it. It's an economies of scale thing. For that extra $2,500 you can put that money elsewhere and increase your capability further, such as larger tires.

Originally Posted by TH3APPL3GUY

I have the metalcloak gamechanger lite on my JK. I am really happy with how it performs both on, and offroad.

Originally Posted by mattgt5

Glad I could help you out. According to MC they intend to leave a .5" rake when their kit is installed. My picture is a little deceiving as it is uphill. I am level with the ace carrier and the heavy spare. I think that if you put a 1/4" more in the front than east you would level out but not more than that. Mine looks flat right now with no winch.

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Originally Posted by scubaskier

Matt, thanks again. That's good to know and is kind of in the range I was thinking. I think I'll do the synergy 3/4" rear spacers and the teraflex 1" fronts. Should level it out I believe from what your reporting. If it end up shy of level I don't think it'll be enough to really notice.

Originally Posted by mattgt5

I have no fault in your logic for your money. But let me correct a couple of things. The six paks mount above the axle in the rear. They cut the stock location bracket off and move it up out of harms way. Agree, wouldn't want that pot of gold handing down to bash.

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Originally Posted by HardRooster

The rear shock absolutely is not above the axle, or out of harms way. And it's so much larger, the chance you'll damage it is higher than with a standard, smaller shock. Obviously everyone can do what they want with their money. Doesn't mean it's ever going to stop me from trying to talk people out of wasting scratch.

Originally Posted by HardRooster

The rear shock absolutely is not above the axle, or out of harms way. And it's so much larger, the chance you'll damage it is higher than with a standard, smaller shock. Obviously everyone can do what they want with their money. Doesn't mean it's ever going to stop me from trying to talk people out of wasting scratch.

Originally Posted by Invest2m4

No shock could be mounted higher on a JK without losing travel or requiring a much higher center of gravity. Of course, unless you go full fab coilovers that mount up through the tub. But now you're talking mega scratch....

13.5" of usable travel on 2.5" of lift, in my view, is pretty solid. Not to mention doing it with 37s. Though, I have a 2-door and am therefore much more sensitive to keeping my Jeep near the ground.

Originally Posted by KurtieR

Looks like she's working great man!