MetalCloak Game Changer 6Pak
#41
dont get me wrong there shocks are nice, but shocks to me should not be included in lift kits. You should measure once the kits installed and your bumps are set to the correct tire size/ fenders then order shocks accordingly, or else 90% of the time there will be unused travel.
I try to stress the point that you do have to follow the "rules" for the 6Pak shocks to make sense. No Overlines? Don't do it. Don't have wheels with <4" of back space? Don't do it. Running greater than 37"? Don't do it - unless you are cool with cutting the tub.
#42
Yeah, that statement I have to agree with. I suggested just that when I ordered mine, and they gave me a package discount plus free shipping Not quite 4k, but I was under 5k with Game Changer, front/rear Overlines and Exoskin.
To be fair, I spent months doing research on lifts as I was sick of throwing good money after bad. I was torn between coilovers and the GC. I decided that if I was going to do coilovers, I was going to stretch the rear at the same time to make it worth while. I just don't have the fab skills to do that right and can't bring myself to pay a ton of money to have someone do it (and I have a rule that if I can't do the work myself, then I shouldn't have the product).
If I had your fab skills, it may have been a different outcome. However, I wouldn't have the time, which is why the GC worked out best.
I'll abuse it this year and will follow up with unbiased reports. If it sucks, I'll sell it and move on!
To be fair, I spent months doing research on lifts as I was sick of throwing good money after bad. I was torn between coilovers and the GC. I decided that if I was going to do coilovers, I was going to stretch the rear at the same time to make it worth while. I just don't have the fab skills to do that right and can't bring myself to pay a ton of money to have someone do it (and I have a rule that if I can't do the work myself, then I shouldn't have the product).
If I had your fab skills, it may have been a different outcome. However, I wouldn't have the time, which is why the GC worked out best.
I'll abuse it this year and will follow up with unbiased reports. If it sucks, I'll sell it and move on!
#43
I run the MC 6 packs on a hodge podge of other lift stuff. I started with a RK 2.5 Max Travel, changed the lower control arms to the Teraflex (rubbing issues with RK). I then changed to the MC 3.5 springs for a little more lift. The shocks came somewhere in the middle.
I think the bigger issue that is needs to be discussed is “TRAVEL”. We spend all this money on lifts and then install bump stop to stop or limit travel. If you are prepared to take a knife to your fenders or buy aftermarket fenders then you are in the 2% of jeeps out there than can handle longer travel.
The MC 6packs allow you to remove almost all of your bump stop’s and allow the travel to go all the way UP and DOWN. I always am amazed when I see Jeeps being lifted with forklifts or on a ramp and they start lifting other tires off the ground before the tire is a max stuff in the wheel well (That is because of limited travel due to the bump stops). In most cases you have to run 3-4 inches of bump stop to stop the travel from crushing the shocks on compression (or rubbing like mad on your fenders). The MC 6packs do not have this issue while still giving you a longer shock so you do not have to limit down travel either.
As for the discussion of the Coil Overs I can only speak from my own experience. My Jeep has been a “project” that has grown over time. If I was starting with a clean slate or an unlimited budget all at once I would have considered the Coil Over option. But that was not the issue with me. My build was done over a 2-3 year process.
One other issue you need to be aware of is the MC 6packs are going to require maintenance. I believe this is the issue with all “exotic” shocks. You will need to get them recharged from time to time (this can be done locally in most instances) and sent back to MC for a rebuild over time (Much Cheaper than new shocks) so be prepared to PAY if you are going to PLAY!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wM6v3w3hPg
I think the bigger issue that is needs to be discussed is “TRAVEL”. We spend all this money on lifts and then install bump stop to stop or limit travel. If you are prepared to take a knife to your fenders or buy aftermarket fenders then you are in the 2% of jeeps out there than can handle longer travel.
The MC 6packs allow you to remove almost all of your bump stop’s and allow the travel to go all the way UP and DOWN. I always am amazed when I see Jeeps being lifted with forklifts or on a ramp and they start lifting other tires off the ground before the tire is a max stuff in the wheel well (That is because of limited travel due to the bump stops). In most cases you have to run 3-4 inches of bump stop to stop the travel from crushing the shocks on compression (or rubbing like mad on your fenders). The MC 6packs do not have this issue while still giving you a longer shock so you do not have to limit down travel either.
As for the discussion of the Coil Overs I can only speak from my own experience. My Jeep has been a “project” that has grown over time. If I was starting with a clean slate or an unlimited budget all at once I would have considered the Coil Over option. But that was not the issue with me. My build was done over a 2-3 year process.
One other issue you need to be aware of is the MC 6packs are going to require maintenance. I believe this is the issue with all “exotic” shocks. You will need to get them recharged from time to time (this can be done locally in most instances) and sent back to MC for a rebuild over time (Much Cheaper than new shocks) so be prepared to PAY if you are going to PLAY!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wM6v3w3hPg
#46
#48
yup they negate the need somewhat with there really tall rear track bar bracket. I personally think on 35-37s though and that angle it can be a little harder on a already crappy stock steering box.
Last edited by Maertz; 01-31-2014 at 07:30 AM.
#49
sent from my work leash
#50
agreed, but i dont think its a big deal. hell even with a drag link flip and only 35s my steering box leaks slightly after a hard day wheeling.