Lift kits. Do you get what you pay for?
#11
I may be ran outta town for it but ill go ahead and say that the RC 3.5 series 2 lift is the cheapest complete kit on the market. That's my opinion of course. Shocks, springs, relocation brackets, and fixed arms shipped to your door for 500 bucks. Can't beat that and you can build off of it as funds are avaliable. Mine drove great and I had no complaints. No spring sag or leaky shocks.
#12
Im confused by the Original post really. If you dont want to spend money on a lift then just dont. To complain about what someone charges to develop, mass produce, test, warranty, and ship you everything you need to lift your jeep up in a few hours is just nonsense. If you dont want to pay for all of that work then make your own. You are dealing with relatively small production specialized parts that are meant to get pounded on by rocks under the worst conditions, and still get you home safely. Next time you complain about the price of a quality product ask yourself what not standing on the side of the road after something breaks is worth to you. After you do all of that ask yourself, if you did all of the work to build something like that, then the time to build a product that you are going to warranty for life in some cases, that you have to build, coat, ship. What would you charge for the product? When you start selling lift kits for $150 bucks you let me know ok.
@TheTerminator- I am still hashing this out. Not sure If I just want a BB or spring lift, or an "Arm" kit of some sort. Everytime I think I am going one way, the might as well clause F's me into thinking I need something else. It will probably be a little easier to decide when my tires are worn and need replacing.
#13
Im confused by the Original post really. If you dont want to spend money on a lift then just dont. To complain about what someone charges to develop, mass produce, test, warranty, and ship you everything you need to lift your jeep up in a few hours is just nonsense. If you dont want to pay for all of that work then make your own. You are dealing with relatively small production specialized parts that are meant to get pounded on by rocks under the worst conditions, and still get you home safely. Next time you complain about the price of a quality product ask yourself what not standing on the side of the road after something breaks is worth to you. After you do all of that ask yourself, if you did all of the work to build something like that, then the time to build a product that you are going to warranty for life in some cases, that you have to build, coat, ship. What would you charge for the product? When you start selling lift kits for $150 bucks you let me know ok.
As for the original question, I struggled with the same thing you are when I purchased my lift a month ago. All I wanted was a 2.5" lift and the options were everything from less than $200 for some spacers to over a grand for a complete kit with new control arms, track bars, and lots of other things. After talking to a couple local shops, I almost went with the RC 2.5" lift but at the last minute decided spend a little bit more on a skyjacker lift that was a little more complete. I have had my Jeep for less than a year and this is all a learning experience for me. I installed the lift myself and have been very happy with it. It rides much better than stock!!!
My advice is to get what you can afford that meets your needs for the type of wheeling you do.
Last edited by matt1171; 12-05-2012 at 07:34 PM.
#14
Im not trying to be negative but the guy who started the thread was asking why should I pay a thousand bucks for some springs and a few doo dads. My answer is because they are more then just some doo dads you called them. They are a completely engineered, warrantied product, that replace or modify your existing suspension system in a way to make it so you can bash your product on rocks with a 2.5 ton Jeep.
There are products to lift your Jeep in many different price points from as cheap as under 200 bucks to $4000+ depending on your needs, wallet, and intended use. I personally am thankful that I have so many choices available to me when I purchase a Jeep to raise it how I like. Complaining that there are so many choices of lift available that are in your eyes too expensive for what you are getting is just like saying a burger at mcdonalds should only be 25cents cause you dont think it is worth more then that.
Everyone can do what they want with their own jeep. Spend what you want, lift how you like, mod whatever you want. Im just happy I have more then one option so lets not start complaining to every manufacturer of lifts that their products are all just overpriced junk.
There are products to lift your Jeep in many different price points from as cheap as under 200 bucks to $4000+ depending on your needs, wallet, and intended use. I personally am thankful that I have so many choices available to me when I purchase a Jeep to raise it how I like. Complaining that there are so many choices of lift available that are in your eyes too expensive for what you are getting is just like saying a burger at mcdonalds should only be 25cents cause you dont think it is worth more then that.
Everyone can do what they want with their own jeep. Spend what you want, lift how you like, mod whatever you want. Im just happy I have more then one option so lets not start complaining to every manufacturer of lifts that their products are all just overpriced junk.
#15
I may be ran outta town for it but ill go ahead and say that the RC 3.5 series 2 lift is the cheapest complete kit on the market. That's my opinion of course. Shocks, springs, relocation brackets, and fixed arms shipped to your door for 500 bucks. Can't beat that and you can build off of it as funds are avaliable. Mine drove great and I had no complaints. No spring sag or leaky shocks.
you forgot to mention
lifetime warranty..with people who answer their phones and WANT to help.
no cam bolts like other lifts that charge more
swaybar links
steering stabilizer relocation bracket
bump stop extensions
dropped pitman arm
tranny skid plate spacers
brake line brackets
yeah I could say a lot about the biased attitude against RC and for that matter some other good companies by some of the members of this forum... its well known.
#16
[QUOTE=flienlow;3324672]In all fairness, I did mention that I should build somthing myself if it's so easy. My Point is that I am finding one manufacturer that seems to be substantually cheaper that others. That, and there is not too much to a lift kit to begin with that's all.
I know quite a few guys that built their own lift. In the end they wound up spending more and were not quite happy with the end result as compared to others that purchased a complete kit at one time. If you only want a small lift you can probably just swap out for slightly heavier springs and you would be ok. Many 2dr guys use the heavy stock spring set from the stock 4drs to get some extra lift without issues. In fact you can normally pick them up as take offs pretty cheap as well. Im really not trying to bash you man, but just give some credit to all of the work that goes into producing these specialty parts for us all.
As a side note many people here and other places asked for a way to mount a larger spare to the stock tailgate without issue with a solid solution. Teraflex came up with a hinge system and carrier to address the problem. Many people complained very loudly about the price of the product when released. Ive seen the product in person and it is a very sturdy well engineered product. My point is this. To build a special product that will fit and work perfect, that is coated not to rust, under warranty, then shipped costs a great deal of money to produce. Instead of trying to beat down innovative companies that are listening to our requests and making them happen, lets try to support them as best as we can so we continue to get quality products in the future. And if you view the product and not containing value in your eyes, try to give the benefit of the doubt as you search for an alternative option for your application.
I know quite a few guys that built their own lift. In the end they wound up spending more and were not quite happy with the end result as compared to others that purchased a complete kit at one time. If you only want a small lift you can probably just swap out for slightly heavier springs and you would be ok. Many 2dr guys use the heavy stock spring set from the stock 4drs to get some extra lift without issues. In fact you can normally pick them up as take offs pretty cheap as well. Im really not trying to bash you man, but just give some credit to all of the work that goes into producing these specialty parts for us all.
As a side note many people here and other places asked for a way to mount a larger spare to the stock tailgate without issue with a solid solution. Teraflex came up with a hinge system and carrier to address the problem. Many people complained very loudly about the price of the product when released. Ive seen the product in person and it is a very sturdy well engineered product. My point is this. To build a special product that will fit and work perfect, that is coated not to rust, under warranty, then shipped costs a great deal of money to produce. Instead of trying to beat down innovative companies that are listening to our requests and making them happen, lets try to support them as best as we can so we continue to get quality products in the future. And if you view the product and not containing value in your eyes, try to give the benefit of the doubt as you search for an alternative option for your application.
#17
[QUOTE=dognights;3324719]
I hope nobody thinks my intent here is to slam anyone. Because it's truly not. I have no reason to not like anyone's kit since I do not have one. (and TF did an EPIC job with the Tail Gate piece)
Let me ask this in a different way.
If you have 4 very similar kits from 4 different manfacturers and one of them seems much less expensive. Is there a potential reason it should be avoided? or is it pretty much the same as stated above?
Since you mentioned the TF tail gate, I would like to use that as an example to help explain my thoughts. When I look at the TF tail gate, I see the engineering behind it, there is hydroformed metal (I think) and if I am correct , there are dies that need to made or whatever to manufacture it. And its a big undertaking to engineer and produce it so when I see a $500-600 price tag I know you wont find it a wally world, its a high quality piece, and I am happy they make it. (depending I which way I go for a rear bumper I just may end up with it as well too.)
However, when I see a lift kit (and please, I could be WAY off base here) I see a metal bandsaw, a jig, a tubing bender, and welder. Some of the kits I have seem are upwards of 4grand. It just seems like you can buy a lot of Iron for 4g that's all.
In all fairness, I did mention that I should build somthing myself if it's so easy. My Point is that I am finding one manufacturer that seems to be substantually cheaper that others. That, and there is not too much to a lift kit to begin with that's all.
I know quite a few guys that built their own lift. In the end they wound up spending more and were not quite happy with the end result as compared to others that purchased a complete kit at one time. If you only want a small lift you can probably just swap out for slightly heavier springs and you would be ok. Many 2dr guys use the heavy stock spring set from the stock 4drs to get some extra lift without issues. In fact you can normally pick them up as take offs pretty cheap as well. Im really not trying to bash you man, but just give some credit to all of the work that goes into producing these specialty parts for us all.
As a side note many people here and other places asked for a way to mount a larger spare to the stock tailgate without issue with a solid solution. Teraflex came up with a hinge system and carrier to address the problem. Many people complained very loudly about the price of the product when released. Ive seen the product in person and it is a very sturdy well engineered product. My point is this. To build a special product that will fit and work perfect, that is coated not to rust, under warranty, then shipped costs a great deal of money to produce. Instead of trying to beat down innovative companies that are listening to our requests and making them happen, lets try to support them as best as we can so we continue to get quality products in the future. And if you view the product and not containing value in your eyes, try to give the benefit of the doubt as you search for an alternative option for your application.
I know quite a few guys that built their own lift. In the end they wound up spending more and were not quite happy with the end result as compared to others that purchased a complete kit at one time. If you only want a small lift you can probably just swap out for slightly heavier springs and you would be ok. Many 2dr guys use the heavy stock spring set from the stock 4drs to get some extra lift without issues. In fact you can normally pick them up as take offs pretty cheap as well. Im really not trying to bash you man, but just give some credit to all of the work that goes into producing these specialty parts for us all.
As a side note many people here and other places asked for a way to mount a larger spare to the stock tailgate without issue with a solid solution. Teraflex came up with a hinge system and carrier to address the problem. Many people complained very loudly about the price of the product when released. Ive seen the product in person and it is a very sturdy well engineered product. My point is this. To build a special product that will fit and work perfect, that is coated not to rust, under warranty, then shipped costs a great deal of money to produce. Instead of trying to beat down innovative companies that are listening to our requests and making them happen, lets try to support them as best as we can so we continue to get quality products in the future. And if you view the product and not containing value in your eyes, try to give the benefit of the doubt as you search for an alternative option for your application.
I hope nobody thinks my intent here is to slam anyone. Because it's truly not. I have no reason to not like anyone's kit since I do not have one. (and TF did an EPIC job with the Tail Gate piece)
Let me ask this in a different way.
If you have 4 very similar kits from 4 different manfacturers and one of them seems much less expensive. Is there a potential reason it should be avoided? or is it pretty much the same as stated above?
Since you mentioned the TF tail gate, I would like to use that as an example to help explain my thoughts. When I look at the TF tail gate, I see the engineering behind it, there is hydroformed metal (I think) and if I am correct , there are dies that need to made or whatever to manufacture it. And its a big undertaking to engineer and produce it so when I see a $500-600 price tag I know you wont find it a wally world, its a high quality piece, and I am happy they make it. (depending I which way I go for a rear bumper I just may end up with it as well too.)
However, when I see a lift kit (and please, I could be WAY off base here) I see a metal bandsaw, a jig, a tubing bender, and welder. Some of the kits I have seem are upwards of 4grand. It just seems like you can buy a lot of Iron for 4g that's all.
Last edited by flienlow; 12-05-2012 at 09:39 PM.
#18
Im not trying to be negative but the guy who started the thread was asking why should I pay a thousand bucks for some springs and a few doo dads. My answer is because they are more then just some doo dads you called them. They are a completely engineered, warrantied product, that replace or modify your existing suspension system in a way to make it so you can bash your product on rocks with a 2.5 ton Jeep.
Please explain why similar TF 2.5" coil lift kit is 2x more expensive than Rough Country's coil lift. Also explain why TF spacer lift is more expensive. I want to be educated.
#19
1. Research and Development plus advertising all are added into the price of things that you buy. If you see a vendor at "Jeep Jambore" handing out freebies someone is paying for the freebies in the price of the product. Despite what certain political parties say, "There are no free lunches".
2. Also look at what part of the country (Right to Work states or forced union labor states) the lifts are manufactured. Union labor cost more, not meaning to spark a debate here but we know it is fact.
In my search for a lift, yet to be picked, I don't want the cheapest thing that I can find, I want a quality lift that will last a long time as I plan to keep my Jeep a long time. I don't care where it's made or what color it's painted, I want quality lift with springs that won't sag in six months.
2. Also look at what part of the country (Right to Work states or forced union labor states) the lifts are manufactured. Union labor cost more, not meaning to spark a debate here but we know it is fact.
In my search for a lift, yet to be picked, I don't want the cheapest thing that I can find, I want a quality lift that will last a long time as I plan to keep my Jeep a long time. I don't care where it's made or what color it's painted, I want quality lift with springs that won't sag in six months.
#20
Im not trying to be negative but the guy who started the thread was asking why should I pay a thousand bucks for some springs and a few doo dads. My answer is because they are more then just some doo dads you called them. They are a completely engineered, warrantied product, that replace or modify your existing suspension system in a way to make it so you can bash your product on rocks with a 2.5 ton Jeep.
There are products to lift your Jeep in many different price points from as cheap as under 200 bucks to $4000+ depending on your needs, wallet, and intended use. I personally am thankful that I have so many choices available to me when I purchase a Jeep to raise it how I like. Complaining that there are so many choices of lift available that are in your eyes too expensive for what you are getting is just like saying a burger at mcdonalds should only be 25cents cause you dont think it is worth more then that.
Everyone can do what they want with their own jeep. Spend what you want, lift how you like, mod whatever you want. Im just happy I have more then one option so lets not start complaining to every manufacturer of lifts that their products are all just overpriced junk.
There are products to lift your Jeep in many different price points from as cheap as under 200 bucks to $4000+ depending on your needs, wallet, and intended use. I personally am thankful that I have so many choices available to me when I purchase a Jeep to raise it how I like. Complaining that there are so many choices of lift available that are in your eyes too expensive for what you are getting is just like saying a burger at mcdonalds should only be 25cents cause you dont think it is worth more then that.
Everyone can do what they want with their own jeep. Spend what you want, lift how you like, mod whatever you want. Im just happy I have more then one option so lets not start complaining to every manufacturer of lifts that their products are all just overpriced junk.
I bet your the same guy that uses the " search button" comment regularly.
I think the op had a very legitimate and interesting topic that has many angles.