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So, I was wondering what the down sides were to using the Plastic 5 gallon Blitz cans?
Any one have any experience with these and or a good way to mount them?
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Originally Posted by wmphoto
So, I was wondering what the down sides were to using the Plastic 5 gallon Blitz cans?
Any one have any experience with these and or a good way to mount them?
Are they DOT approved??????? If there not approved I wouldn't use them.
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My understanding is that the DOT approval is only for commercial transportation of Fuel... ie if I was transporting it for sale. For personal use there is no such certification for any fuel container.
At least that is the way it is here in Ohio... I'm fairly sure that is nationwide.
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From a VA State Trooper...

"
This e-mail is in response to your message dated April 16, 2004, regarding fuel containers.

Section 173.6 of the Federal Code regulates materials of trade (gas) to 8 gallons or more. Below are the Federal Regulations. Areas of interest are highlighted for you.

This information is accessible at: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/w...cfr173_03.html

Captain Dennis W. Robertson, Safety Officer

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 49, Volume 2]
[Revised as of October 1, 2003]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 49CFR173.2]

[Page 404-405]

TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER I--RESEARCH AND SPECIAL PROGRAMS ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION

PART 173_SHIPPERS_GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR SHIPMENTS AND PACKAGINGS--Table of Contents

Subpart A_General

Sec. 173.2 Hazardous materials classes and index to hazard class definitions.

The hazard class of a hazardous material is indicated either by its
class (or division) number, its class name, or by the letters ``ORM-D''.
The following table lists class numbers, division numbers, class or
division names and those sections of this subchapter which contain
definitions for classifying hazardous materials, including forbidden
materials.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
49 CFR
Division reference
Class No. No. (if Name of class or division for
any) definitions
------------------------------------------------------------------------
None ........... Forbidden materials.......... 173.21
None ........... Forbidden explosives......... 173.54
1 1.1 Explosives (with a mass 173.50
explosion hazard).
1 1.2 Explosives (with a projection 173.50
hazard).
1 1.3 Explosives (with 173.50
predominately a fire hazard).
1 1.4 Explosives (with no 173.50
significant blast hazard).
1 1.5 Very insensitive explosives; 173.50
blasting agents.
1 1.6 Extremely insensitive 173.50
detonating substances.
2 2.1 Flammable gas................ 173.115
2 2.2 Non-flammable compressed gas. 173.115
2 2.3 Poisonous gas................ 173.115
3 ........... Flammable and combustible 173.120
liquid.
4 4.1 Flammable solid.............. 173.124
4 4.2 Spontaneously combustible 173.124
material.
4 4.3 Dangerous when wet material.. 173.124
5 5.1 Oxidizer..................... 173.127

[[Page 405]]


5 5.2 Organic peroxide............. 173.128
6 6.1 Poisonous materials.......... 173.132
6 6.2 Infectious substance 173.134
(Etiologic agent).
7 ........... Radioactive material......... 173.403
8 ........... Corrosive material........... 173.136
9 ........... Miscellaneous hazardous 173.140
material.
None ........... Other regulated material: ORM- 173.144
D.
------------------------------------------------------------------------


[Amdt. 173-224, 55 FR 52606, Dec. 21, 1990, as amended at 57 FR 45460,
Oct. 1, 1992; Amdt. 173-234, 58 FR 51531, Oct. 1, 1993]

TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER I--RESEARCH AND SPECIAL PROGRAMS ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION

PART 173_SHIPPERS_GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR SHIPMENTS AND PACKAGINGS--Table of Contents

Subpart A_General

Sec. 173.6 Materials of trade exceptions.

When transported by motor vehicle in conformance with this section,
a material of trade (see Sec. 171.8 of this subchapter) is not subject
to any other requirements of this subchapter besides those set forth or
referenced in this section.
(a) Materials and amounts. A material of trade is limited to the
following:
(1) A Class 3, 8, 9, Division 4.1, 5.1, 5.2, 6.1, or ORM-D material
contained in a packaging having a gross mass or capacity not over--
(i) 0.5 kg (1 pound) or 0.5 L (1 pint) for a Packing Group I
material;
(ii) 30 kg (66 pounds) or 30 L (8 gallons) for a Packing Group II,
Packing Group III, or ORM-D material;
(iii) 1500 L (400 gallons) for a diluted mixture, not to exceed 2
percent concentration, of a Class 9 material.
(2) A Division 2.1 or 2.2 material in a cylinder with a gross weight
not over 100 kg (220 pounds), or a permanently mounted tank manufactured
to ASME standards of not more than 70 gallon water capacity for a non-
liquefied Division 2.2 material with no subsidiary hazard.
(3) A Division 4.3 material in Packing Group II or III contained in
a packaging having a gross capacity not exceeding 30 mL (1 ounce).
(4) A Division 6.2 material, other than a Risk Group 4 material,
that is a diagnostic specimen, biological product, or regulated medical
waste. The material must be contained in a combination packaging. For
liquids, the inner packaging must be leak tight, and the outer packaging
must contain sufficient absorbent material to absorb the entire contents
of the inner packaging. For sharps, the inner packaging must be
constructed of a rigid material resistant to punctures and leaks. For
all Division 6.2 materials, the outer packaging must be a strong, tight
packaging securely closed and secured against movement.
(i) For a diagnostic specimen or biological product, combination
packagings must conform to the following capacity limitations:
(A) One or more inner packagings where the gross mass or capacity of
each inner packaging does not exceed 0.5 kg (1.1 pound), or 0.5 L (17
ounces), and an outer packaging having a gross mass or capacity not
exceeding 4 kg (8.8 pounds) or 4 L (1 gallon); or

[[Page 410]]

(B) A single inner packaging with a gross mass or capacity not
exceeding 16 kg (35.2 pounds) or 16 L (4.2 gallons) in a single outer
packaging.
(ii) For a regulated medical waste, a combination packaging must
consist of one or more inner packagings having a gross mass or capacity
not exceeding 4 kg (8.8 pounds) or 4 L (1 gallon), and an outer
packaging having a gross mass or capacity not exceeding 16 kg (35.2
pounds) or 16 L (4.2 gallons).
(5) This section does not apply to a hazardous material that is
self-reactive (see Sec. 173.124), poisonous by inhalation (see Sec.
173.133), or a hazardous waste.
(b) Packaging. (1) Packagings must be leak tight for liquids and
gases, sift proof for solids, and be securely closed, secured against
movement, and protected against damage.
(2) Each material must be packaged in the manufacturer's original
packaging, or a packaging of equal or greater strength and integrity.
(3) Outer packagings are not required for receptacles (e.g., cans
and bottles) that are secured against movement in cages, carts, bins,
boxes or compartments.
(4) For gasoline, a packaging must be made of metal or plastic and
conform to the requirements of this subchapter or to the requirements of
the Occupational Safety and Health Administration of the Department of
Labor contained in 29 CFR 1910.106(d)(2) or 1926.152(a)(1).
(5) A cylinder or other pressure vessel containing a Division 2.1 or
2.2 material must conform to packaging, qualification, maintenance, and
use requirements of this subchapter, except that outer packagings are
not required. Manifolding of cylinders is authorized provided all valves
are tightly closed.
(c) Hazard communication. (1) A non-bulk packaging other than a
cylinder (including a receptacle transported without an outer packaging)
must be marked with a common name or proper shipping name to identify
the material it contains, including the letters ``RQ'' if it contains a
reportable quantity of a hazardous substance.

(2) A bulk packaging containing a diluted mixture of a Class 9
material must be marked on two opposing sides with the four-digit
identification number of the material. The identification number must be
displayed on placards, orange panels or, alternatively, a white square-
on-point configuration having the same outside dimensions as a placard
(at least 273 mm (10.8 inches) on a side), in the manner specified in
Sec. 172.332 (b) and (c) of this subchapter.
(3) A DOT specification cylinder (except DOT specification 39) must
be marked and labeled as prescribed in this subchapter. Each DOT-39
cylinder must display the markings specified in 178.65(i).
(4) The operator of a motor vehicle that contains a material of
trade must be informed of the presence of the hazardous material
(including whether the package contains a reportable quantity) and must
be informed of the requirements of this section.
(d) Aggregate gross weight. Except for a material of trade
authorized by paragraph (a)(1)(iii) of this section, the aggregate gross
weight of all materials of trade on a motor vehicle may not exceed 200
kg (440 pounds).
(e) Other exceptions. A material of trade may be transported on a
motor vehicle under the provisions of this section with other hazardous
materials without affecting its eligibility for exceptions provided by
this section.

[Amdt. 173-259, 62 FR 1216, Jan. 8, 1997, as amended by Amdt. 173-262,
62 FR 49566, Sept. 22, 1997; 62 FR 51560, Oct. 1, 1997; Amdt. 173-259,
63 FR 8142, Feb. 18, 1998; 63 FR 52849, Oct. 1, 1998; 66 FR 45381, Aug.
28, 2001; 67 FR 53137, Aug. 14, 2002]



Captain Dennis W. Robertson, Safety Officer,"

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And then again in layman's terms...


If you are transporting fuel in anything less than 8 gallon containers then there is no DOT approval or certification. The EPA however requires that any container used to transport fuel needs to be labeled as to what type of fuel... i.e. gas, diesel, propane, ect.

There is no restriction on the # of 5 gallon Fuel containers (Jerry cans) that you can carry...
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Typical government mumbo jumbo. Just put it in a red metal Gerry can with leakproof lid and be done with it. Why temp a trooper or Forest Service cop wannabe to hassle you?





Originally Posted by wmphoto
From a VA State Trooper...

"
This e-mail is in response to your message dated April 16, 2004, regarding fuel containers.

Section 173.6 of the Federal Code regulates materials of trade (gas) to 8 gallons or more. Below are the Federal Regulations. Areas of interest are highlighted for you.

This information is accessible at: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/w...cfr173_03.html

Captain Dennis W. Robertson, Safety Officer

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 49, Volume 2]
[Revised as of October 1, 2003]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 49CFR173.2]

[Page 404-405]

TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER I--RESEARCH AND SPECIAL PROGRAMS ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION

PART 173_SHIPPERS_GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR SHIPMENTS AND PACKAGINGS--Table of Contents

Subpart A_General

Sec. 173.2 Hazardous materials classes and index to hazard class definitions.

The hazard class of a hazardous material is indicated either by its
class (or division) number, its class name, or by the letters ``ORM-D''.
The following table lists class numbers, division numbers, class or
division names and those sections of this subchapter which contain
definitions for classifying hazardous materials, including forbidden
materials.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
49 CFR
Division reference
Class No. No. (if Name of class or division for
any) definitions
------------------------------------------------------------------------
None ........... Forbidden materials.......... 173.21
None ........... Forbidden explosives......... 173.54
1 1.1 Explosives (with a mass 173.50
explosion hazard).
1 1.2 Explosives (with a projection 173.50
hazard).
1 1.3 Explosives (with 173.50
predominately a fire hazard).
1 1.4 Explosives (with no 173.50
significant blast hazard).
1 1.5 Very insensitive explosives; 173.50
blasting agents.
1 1.6 Extremely insensitive 173.50
detonating substances.
2 2.1 Flammable gas................ 173.115
2 2.2 Non-flammable compressed gas. 173.115
2 2.3 Poisonous gas................ 173.115
3 ........... Flammable and combustible 173.120
liquid.
4 4.1 Flammable solid.............. 173.124
4 4.2 Spontaneously combustible 173.124
material.
4 4.3 Dangerous when wet material.. 173.124
5 5.1 Oxidizer..................... 173.127

[[Page 405]]


5 5.2 Organic peroxide............. 173.128
6 6.1 Poisonous materials.......... 173.132
6 6.2 Infectious substance 173.134
(Etiologic agent).
7 ........... Radioactive material......... 173.403
8 ........... Corrosive material........... 173.136
9 ........... Miscellaneous hazardous 173.140
material.
None ........... Other regulated material: ORM- 173.144
D.
------------------------------------------------------------------------


[Amdt. 173-224, 55 FR 52606, Dec. 21, 1990, as amended at 57 FR 45460,
Oct. 1, 1992; Amdt. 173-234, 58 FR 51531, Oct. 1, 1993]

TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER I--RESEARCH AND SPECIAL PROGRAMS ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION

PART 173_SHIPPERS_GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR SHIPMENTS AND PACKAGINGS--Table of Contents

Subpart A_General

Sec. 173.6 Materials of trade exceptions.

When transported by motor vehicle in conformance with this section,
a material of trade (see Sec. 171.8 of this subchapter) is not subject
to any other requirements of this subchapter besides those set forth or
referenced in this section.
(a) Materials and amounts. A material of trade is limited to the
following:
(1) A Class 3, 8, 9, Division 4.1, 5.1, 5.2, 6.1, or ORM-D material
contained in a packaging having a gross mass or capacity not over--
(i) 0.5 kg (1 pound) or 0.5 L (1 pint) for a Packing Group I
material;
(ii) 30 kg (66 pounds) or 30 L (8 gallons) for a Packing Group II,
Packing Group III, or ORM-D material;
(iii) 1500 L (400 gallons) for a diluted mixture, not to exceed 2
percent concentration, of a Class 9 material.
(2) A Division 2.1 or 2.2 material in a cylinder with a gross weight
not over 100 kg (220 pounds), or a permanently mounted tank manufactured
to ASME standards of not more than 70 gallon water capacity for a non-
liquefied Division 2.2 material with no subsidiary hazard.
(3) A Division 4.3 material in Packing Group II or III contained in
a packaging having a gross capacity not exceeding 30 mL (1 ounce).
(4) A Division 6.2 material, other than a Risk Group 4 material,
that is a diagnostic specimen, biological product, or regulated medical
waste. The material must be contained in a combination packaging. For
liquids, the inner packaging must be leak tight, and the outer packaging
must contain sufficient absorbent material to absorb the entire contents
of the inner packaging. For sharps, the inner packaging must be
constructed of a rigid material resistant to punctures and leaks. For
all Division 6.2 materials, the outer packaging must be a strong, tight
packaging securely closed and secured against movement.
(i) For a diagnostic specimen or biological product, combination
packagings must conform to the following capacity limitations:
(A) One or more inner packagings where the gross mass or capacity of
each inner packaging does not exceed 0.5 kg (1.1 pound), or 0.5 L (17
ounces), and an outer packaging having a gross mass or capacity not
exceeding 4 kg (8.8 pounds) or 4 L (1 gallon); or

[[Page 410]]

(B) A single inner packaging with a gross mass or capacity not
exceeding 16 kg (35.2 pounds) or 16 L (4.2 gallons) in a single outer
packaging.
(ii) For a regulated medical waste, a combination packaging must
consist of one or more inner packagings having a gross mass or capacity
not exceeding 4 kg (8.8 pounds) or 4 L (1 gallon), and an outer
packaging having a gross mass or capacity not exceeding 16 kg (35.2
pounds) or 16 L (4.2 gallons).
(5) This section does not apply to a hazardous material that is
self-reactive (see Sec. 173.124), poisonous by inhalation (see Sec.
173.133), or a hazardous waste.
(b) Packaging. (1) Packagings must be leak tight for liquids and
gases, sift proof for solids, and be securely closed, secured against
movement, and protected against damage.
(2) Each material must be packaged in the manufacturer's original
packaging, or a packaging of equal or greater strength and integrity.
(3) Outer packagings are not required for receptacles (e.g., cans
and bottles) that are secured against movement in cages, carts, bins,
boxes or compartments.
(4) For gasoline, a packaging must be made of metal or plastic and
conform to the requirements of this subchapter or to the requirements of
the Occupational Safety and Health Administration of the Department of
Labor contained in 29 CFR 1910.106(d)(2) or 1926.152(a)(1).
(5) A cylinder or other pressure vessel containing a Division 2.1 or
2.2 material must conform to packaging, qualification, maintenance, and
use requirements of this subchapter, except that outer packagings are
not required. Manifolding of cylinders is authorized provided all valves
are tightly closed.
(c) Hazard communication. (1) A non-bulk packaging other than a
cylinder (including a receptacle transported without an outer packaging)
must be marked with a common name or proper shipping name to identify
the material it contains, including the letters ``RQ'' if it contains a
reportable quantity of a hazardous substance.
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(2) A bulk packaging containing a diluted mixture of a Class 9
material must be marked on two opposing sides with the four-digit
identification number of the material. The identification number must be
displayed on placards, orange panels or, alternatively, a white square-
on-point configuration having the same outside dimensions as a placard
(at least 273 mm (10.8 inches) on a side), in the manner specified in
Sec. 172.332 (b) and (c) of this subchapter.
(3) A DOT specification cylinder (except DOT specification 39) must
be marked and labeled as prescribed in this subchapter. Each DOT-39
cylinder must display the markings specified in 178.65(i).
(4) The operator of a motor vehicle that contains a material of
trade must be informed of the presence of the hazardous material
(including whether the package contains a reportable quantity) and must
be informed of the requirements of this section.
(d) Aggregate gross weight. Except for a material of trade
authorized by paragraph (a)(1)(iii) of this section, the aggregate gross
weight of all materials of trade on a motor vehicle may not exceed 200
kg (440 pounds).
(e) Other exceptions. A material of trade may be transported on a
motor vehicle under the provisions of this section with other hazardous
materials without affecting its eligibility for exceptions provided by
this section.

[Amdt. 173-259, 62 FR 1216, Jan. 8, 1997, as amended by Amdt. 173-262,
62 FR 49566, Sept. 22, 1997; 62 FR 51560, Oct. 1, 1997; Amdt. 173-259,
63 FR 8142, Feb. 18, 1998; 63 FR 52849, Oct. 1, 1998; 66 FR 45381, Aug.
28, 2001; 67 FR 53137, Aug. 14, 2002]



Captain Dennis W. Robertson, Safety Officer,"
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think of it like this......you see the lawn crews during the mowing season transporting multiple plastic and/or metal can and no one say a word to them.
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Originally Posted by ShakyJake
Typical government mumbo jumbo. Just put it in a red metal Gerry can with leakproof lid and be done with it. Why temp a trooper or Forest Service cop wannabe to hassle you?
That forest service cop wannabe is like god, just like a state trooper, dps, county and city cop.... he can pull you over just the same...


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