help on tires and rims.. 3 issues in 3 outings - 3 for 3
#11
I have just recently put on Trail Grapplers, 35-12.5-17, and so far like them alot. The 35's mounted finished at 34.25" height. They are a very heavy tire at about 80# each. Hope your luck improves whatever tire you choose.
#12
Join the club. Those stock BFGs suck as I too suffered multiple sidewall failures as have many others running those tires. Over my 25+ years of wheeling I have never experienced the number of tire failures like I have with those tires so it has nothing to do with bad driving and poor lines like some here suggest. Currently running 35" PC Xtreme MTs on a 15" wheel and couldn't be happier now.
Last edited by Shadow's_Jeep; 02-24-2013 at 07:49 AM.
#13
ok so maybe I should have asked a different question.
I am looking for a good off road tire that holds up in rocks better then the soft side wall tire that comes stock with the Rubicon... anyhow the OEM tires are not for a lot of rocks, yea maybe here and there but not for as much as I do here in the SW.. other wheeling they are good tires...
for those that have given me what tire there are running.. thanks..
for those that say I pick poor lines.... your right even without ever wheeling with me, your so right... ,
you'd be surprised at the spots these punctures happened... and yes one of them was being spotted and 6 rigs went over the same basic line I did.. not saying they hit the rock the same but basic same spotting....
I would add this "anytime you do trail damage to your vehicle you took a bad line!"
go do some rock crawling through the desert and have a spotter the entire way...
Murphy got me.... 2 in a row.
Just looking for a much better off road/highway tire
cut and paste from another thread.... there are many more like these...
I've had no problem with the stock KM1s although not much rain in SoCal. They far outperformed ATs in deep snow when off road. After this past weekend thought I know why they are called Mud tires and not Rock tires. Sidewalls are far too soft. Of 3 Jeeps out in the rock, 2 had stock MTs and one had Goodyear MTRs. All the MTs had sidewall damage including one totally destroyed. The MTRs showed hardly a mark.
I am looking for a good off road tire that holds up in rocks better then the soft side wall tire that comes stock with the Rubicon... anyhow the OEM tires are not for a lot of rocks, yea maybe here and there but not for as much as I do here in the SW.. other wheeling they are good tires...
for those that have given me what tire there are running.. thanks..
for those that say I pick poor lines.... your right even without ever wheeling with me, your so right... ,
you'd be surprised at the spots these punctures happened... and yes one of them was being spotted and 6 rigs went over the same basic line I did.. not saying they hit the rock the same but basic same spotting....
I would add this "anytime you do trail damage to your vehicle you took a bad line!"
go do some rock crawling through the desert and have a spotter the entire way...
Murphy got me.... 2 in a row.
Just looking for a much better off road/highway tire
cut and paste from another thread.... there are many more like these...
I've had no problem with the stock KM1s although not much rain in SoCal. They far outperformed ATs in deep snow when off road. After this past weekend thought I know why they are called Mud tires and not Rock tires. Sidewalls are far too soft. Of 3 Jeeps out in the rock, 2 had stock MTs and one had Goodyear MTRs. All the MTs had sidewall damage including one totally destroyed. The MTRs showed hardly a mark.
Last edited by JK-jeepit; 02-24-2013 at 11:04 AM.
#14
today third outing in a row... Gordy's Hill NM punctured the front passenger tire on the side wall... again..
and then I also tore about a 3" section off the outer rim bead of the rim off (outter lip or whatever one would call it)... tire bead stayed on and I got home..
Torn sidewall first leading to other damage.
Reading is fundamental.
I'm glad you have not had much in the way of tire damage but I seriously doubt you did all that wheeling on stock Rubi tiress as if you had (had they even been available over the last 30 years) you would have had many more tire failures. It's clearly evident you have minimal experience wheeling with the Rubi tires in the rocks as anyone who has ever done so with any regularity knows these BFG mud tires are prone to failure. Has nothing to do with driving, just paper thin 3 ply sidewalls.
And BTW, my current set up of 35" Pro Comp XMT on the PC 52 15x8 wheels works great on my 120 mile/day commute and playing in the rock. Not to mention, they're a good bit cheaper as well. No sidewall failures either. (knock on wood)
Last edited by CJ7nvrstk; 02-25-2013 at 03:29 AM.
#15
[QUOTE=CJ7nvrstk;3446571]And what part of torn sidewalls did you not read?
Reading is fundamental.
I'm glad you have not had much in the way of tire damage but I seriously doubt you did all that wheeling on stock Rubi tiress as if you had (had they even been available over the last 30 years) you would have had many more tire failures. It's clearly evident you have minimal experience wheeling with the Rubi tires in the rocks as anyone who has ever done so with any regularity knows these BFG mud tires are prone to failure. Has nothing to do with driving, just paper thin 3 ply sidewalls.
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He said 17 years on BFG's not 30. I purchased my first set of BFG MT's in 1990, 23 years ago and they existed long before then. A stock Rubi tire is a BFG MT. I not sure how many sets I've run thru the years but I never had a sidewall failure, good fortune I guess.
Reading is fundamental.
I'm glad you have not had much in the way of tire damage but I seriously doubt you did all that wheeling on stock Rubi tiress as if you had (had they even been available over the last 30 years) you would have had many more tire failures. It's clearly evident you have minimal experience wheeling with the Rubi tires in the rocks as anyone who has ever done so with any regularity knows these BFG mud tires are prone to failure. Has nothing to do with driving, just paper thin 3 ply sidewalls.
QUOTE]
He said 17 years on BFG's not 30. I purchased my first set of BFG MT's in 1990, 23 years ago and they existed long before then. A stock Rubi tire is a BFG MT. I not sure how many sets I've run thru the years but I never had a sidewall failure, good fortune I guess.
#17
[QUOTE=Duradak;3446705]
Yes, he did say 17 on BFGs. Now is that over the last 30 years or last 17 years? You can't say since he did not specify in his post. That is why my post is worded like it is. I think the point that is being missed by many on this is that these are the Rubi 255/75r17 BFG MTs mounted on Rubicon wheels. This tire is different than the standard KMs and KM2s.
I know many of us have strong brand loyalty and sometimes feel the need to defend our choices. I am not bashing BFG KMs or km2s, just the rubicon tire/wheel combo. I have had good luck with BFGs in the past, just not the Rubi BFGs.
And what part of torn sidewalls did you not read?
Reading is fundamental.
I'm glad you have not had much in the way of tire damage but I seriously doubt you did all that wheeling on stock Rubi tiress as if you had (had they even been available over the last 30 years) you would have had many more tire failures. It's clearly evident you have minimal experience wheeling with the Rubi tires in the rocks as anyone who has ever done so with any regularity knows these BFG mud tires are prone to failure. Has nothing to do with driving, just paper thin 3 ply sidewalls.
QUOTE]
He said 17 years on BFG's not 30. I purchased my first set of BFG MT's in 1990, 23 years ago and they existed long before then. A stock Rubi tire is a BFG MT. I not sure how many sets I've run thru the years but I never had a sidewall failure, good fortune I guess.
Reading is fundamental.
I'm glad you have not had much in the way of tire damage but I seriously doubt you did all that wheeling on stock Rubi tiress as if you had (had they even been available over the last 30 years) you would have had many more tire failures. It's clearly evident you have minimal experience wheeling with the Rubi tires in the rocks as anyone who has ever done so with any regularity knows these BFG mud tires are prone to failure. Has nothing to do with driving, just paper thin 3 ply sidewalls.
QUOTE]
He said 17 years on BFG's not 30. I purchased my first set of BFG MT's in 1990, 23 years ago and they existed long before then. A stock Rubi tire is a BFG MT. I not sure how many sets I've run thru the years but I never had a sidewall failure, good fortune I guess.
I know many of us have strong brand loyalty and sometimes feel the need to defend our choices. I am not bashing BFG KMs or km2s, just the rubicon tire/wheel combo. I have had good luck with BFGs in the past, just not the Rubi BFGs.
#18
I've had good luck with the C range GY MTRs I have on my LJ and plan to add D range MTRs to the JK. The MTRs are a lighter tire than a lot of others, also remember Load range plays a factor in how thick the sidewall is. So an E range tire will be a lot tougher than a C range tire.
#19
Discount carries Toyo in their warehouse...
bought a set of Toyo MT's 285/75/17 and rims.... and most importantly the discount warranty,,
so one tire damage pays for it.... of course now I won't damage them.
bought a set of Toyo MT's 285/75/17 and rims.... and most importantly the discount warranty,,
so one tire damage pays for it.... of course now I won't damage them.
#20
Jeez man you had some bad luck, I have wheeled with 37s before and those sidewalls are super tough now that I have a 13JKR with stock tires I was a Lil iffy going down to 15 psi off Road, but on my last trip to uwharrie I ran them at 11 psi and didn't run into any issues. lots of grip obviously not even close to a 37