Evap canister relocation
07-20-2009 | 04:28 PM
#11
JK Enthusiast
Joined: Jul 2008
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From: Lake Stevens, WA
I don't think there's any clear cut answer on the warranty issue with relocating the evap canisters. If you search, there are a number of posts where people have reported problems with the dealer, and an equal number that haven't had any problems. It's a crapshoot and depends on your dealer.
If you want a simple, cost-effective solution that only takes 5 minutes, go with the skid.
https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/sponsoring-manufacturers-vendors-check-out-cyber-monday-specials-24/benchmark-evap-skids-theyve-never-been-cheaper-94432/
If you want a simple, cost-effective solution that only takes 5 minutes, go with the skid.
https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/sponsoring-manufacturers-vendors-check-out-cyber-monday-specials-24/benchmark-evap-skids-theyve-never-been-cheaper-94432/
07-20-2009 | 05:11 PM
#12
JK Junkie
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,130
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From: Highland, Utah
Manager and a Tech are two different ball games. I could go with a few different examples on how a relocated canister would not be warrantied. I for one do not know Jeep's particular policy on such, but I can tell you if you had any related evaporative emissions leaks, that is where the finger would be pointed, and until that was returned to factory..they would not mess with it. So if your fuel tank gets punctured, but not enough to leak fuel, only vapor...they aren't going to waste their time smoking the entire evaporative emission system when someone has already altered it. They do not get paid to work on someone's "custom" work. If it's not factory, they do not have to mess with it. Period. Say your Cat is rattling/bad, could they say since you've relocated the canister the purge valve is not venting properly into the intake manifold, and causing an excessive lean condition that will over time kill the cat, but not throw a check engine light? Yes they could, would you or i know any better? Nope. Because they are the ones that dictate if the work gets done or not. If you feel strongly enough about it and decide to take them to court, they'll have to come up with some hard evidance on it, or is it worth your time to go through all of that?
Frankly my opinion is that it could post a problem, whether or not these vehicles are having problems yet with their evap systems yet (only been out 3 years) could be a possible reason why no warranty problems have been brought to your attention. Since last time I checked this warranty is good for 8 years. So say the evap canisters have a common problem at 5 years and they fill the fuel system full of junk, those that relocated it are screwed out of an entire fuel system. Those that didn't are not, because they did not alter the system. Things like that warranty does not want to fix, but they will if they have to. If they have an excuse they will not. So my moral is, don't move it and they can't hold anything against you. It is very possible that as these vehicles age more, more problems can come up, I'm sure everyone understands that. If it just happens to be a related system, you could have a warranty problem...
Frankly my opinion is that it could post a problem, whether or not these vehicles are having problems yet with their evap systems yet (only been out 3 years) could be a possible reason why no warranty problems have been brought to your attention. Since last time I checked this warranty is good for 8 years. So say the evap canisters have a common problem at 5 years and they fill the fuel system full of junk, those that relocated it are screwed out of an entire fuel system. Those that didn't are not, because they did not alter the system. Things like that warranty does not want to fix, but they will if they have to. If they have an excuse they will not. So my moral is, don't move it and they can't hold anything against you. It is very possible that as these vehicles age more, more problems can come up, I'm sure everyone understands that. If it just happens to be a related system, you could have a warranty problem...
That's a whole lot that says NOTHING. You said "Also voids the federal warranty on the evap equipment, which is 80,000 miles i believe. Just my 2cents, I'll be skidding" You have yet to prove your point. Also I would argue based on your lengthy post that the skid could void your warranty also (which it won't) since it is altering the vehicle.
Plane and simple.
Fact:
Skid= 18-20 extra lbs of extra weight to an already heavy vehicle.
Skid= 1" lower clearance in a crucial point on the vehicle.
Skid= great protection to the evap canister.
Opinion:
Skid=Warranty issues???? Doubtful
Relocation= No extra weight.
Relocation= extra clearance in a crucial point on the vehicle.
Relocation= Great protection to the evap canister.
Opinion:
Relocation= warranty issues????????? NOT YET. Doubtful
07-20-2009 | 06:37 PM
#13
JK Jedi
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,568
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From: Denver, CO
I don't think there's any clear cut answer on the warranty issue with relocating the evap canisters. If you search, there are a number of posts where people have reported problems with the dealer, and an equal number that haven't had any problems. It's a crapshoot and depends on your dealer.
If you want a simple, cost-effective solution that only takes 5 minutes, go with the skid.
https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94432
If you want a simple, cost-effective solution that only takes 5 minutes, go with the skid.
https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94432
07-20-2009 | 08:20 PM
#14
JK Super Freak
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,593
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From: Prescott, AZ
I also say go with a skid. If I was working on my Cobra I'd be worried about the 20lb weight gain. On my Jeep I could care less. While it does lower ground clearance a bit, the gas tank skid, xfer case skid, and diffs all hang lower, so it's not like it's the lowest point on the vehicle. Plus it's a flat, smooth skid allowing you to just "skid" over stuff that does hit it, just like I do with the gas tank skid plate. In the rare circumstance I might get hung up on it, well, I would have that far to winch if I would.
07-20-2009 | 08:35 PM
#15
JK Super Freak
Joined: Oct 2007
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From: The Badlands (near Lafayette, IN)
I busted the EVIM ("valve") on mine before I skidded or relocated.
As part of the repair process, I relocated.
Cheap and simple.
See this DIY thread.
As part of the repair process, I relocated.
Cheap and simple.
See this DIY thread.
07-22-2009 | 06:20 AM
#16
Former Vendor
Joined: Apr 2007
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From: nowhere
Another skid vs. relocate thread. We have a relocation option( http://dietechoffroad.com/products/jkevapkit.htm) because we believe it's the best choice. The only risk in a relocation system is that you don't get the lines tight enough and you don't have vacuum. Relocating also gets the lines out of the way.
Happy Place
07-23-2009 | 09:58 AM
#19
JK Newbie
Joined: Jun 2007
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From: N.California
I just installed the Die-Tech relocation kit. The install went very well. It was the best option for me. I fortunatly have a local dealer that first is still around and second is involved/supports various offroad functions and because of that they try thier best to work with the customer when it involves warranty issues/modifications. Its a common sense approach.
07-23-2009 | 12:55 PM
#20
JK Enthusiast
Joined: Apr 2009
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From: Western Suburbs of Chicago
From what I've heard you can't go wrong with the Woods Kit from Jeepswag.com.
If you change you mind and decide to skid it the Benchmark-Designs skid is one stout piece of protection.
There is no right or wrong answer despite all the verbal diarrhea on the topic.
If you change you mind and decide to skid it the Benchmark-Designs skid is one stout piece of protection.
There is no right or wrong answer despite all the verbal diarrhea on the topic.