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Old 05-25-2010 | 10:11 AM
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Thanks for the response WOL. I appreciate it. Just kinda sux they do that....

Originally Posted by racer83l
I have no experience with rubicon express, but I have and love aev's 3.5" premium lift.. They no longer include cam bolts in their kits, they include control arm relocation brackets which work very well for me.


My vote is for aev, I'm sure anyone that owns an re kit will choose re and so on.. For me they are all good lifts and you will be happy either way
As for this relocation bracket. Does anyone happen to have pics of this and how it's mounted on? I'm kind of hoping that I could just get this instead of having to weld a washer to my bracket.

Thanks for the info!
Old 05-25-2010 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by VaNomad0530
Thanks for the response WOL. I appreciate it. Just kinda sux they do that....



As for this relocation bracket. Does anyone happen to have pics of this and how it's mounted on? I'm kind of hoping that I could just get this instead of having to weld a washer to my bracket.

Thanks for the info!
i agree that it sucks and i used to give them grief about it all the time. heck, i even told them as much in person in moab a couple of years back and all they did is try to convicing me that i was wrong. funny thing is, all the aev fanboys here used to argue with me about it all the time too saying things like the aev guys are former jeep engineers and know what they are doing and wouldn't include substandard parts, that i was just attacking them because they aren't sponsors, blah, blah blah. forunately, truth prevails, i was right, they were wrong and, they finally decided to change their kit.

regarding the brackets, they look like this....



while they get the job done and from what i understand, do provide improvements in braking, if you wheel your jeep, i personally feel these are a bad idea. contrary to what the fanboys will suggest, these are HUGE rock targets that hang considerably lower than your frame rails and are located right behind your front tires where your jeep will drop right after climbing a rock. again, if you wheel your jeep and get this kit, do yourself a favor and get adjustable lower control arms instead. of course, if you spend most of your time on pavement and just do light wheeling, they'll be fine.

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Old 05-25-2010 | 11:03 AM
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i agree that it sucks and i used to give them grief about it all the time. heck, i even told them as much in person in moab a couple of years back and all they did is try to convicing me that i was wrong. funny thing is, all the aev fanboys here used to argue with me about it all the time too saying things like the aev guys are former jeep engineers and know what they are doing and wouldn't include substandard parts, that i was just attacking them because they aren't sponsors, blah, blah blah. forunately, truth prevails, i was right, they were wrong and, they finally decided to change their kit.

regarding the brackets, they look like this....



while they get the job done and from what i understand, do provide improvements in braking, if you wheel your jeep, i personally feel these are a bad idea. contrary to what the fanboys will suggest, these are HUGE rock targets that hang considerably lower than your frame rails and are located right behind your front tires where your jeep will drop right after climbing a rock. again, if you wheel your jeep and get this kit, do yourself a favor and get adjustable lower control arms instead. of course, if you spend most of your time on pavement and just do light wheeling, they'll be fine.

Awesome....thanks again for the quick response and thurough info. It looks like that bracket won't help me any though if I'm looking at it right. The required drilled hole is on the axle side and it looks like...again if I'm looking at it right....


Hmmmm....ok then, so lets talk washers any specific type, thickness...etc? I'll probably get one of the local shops to weld this for me.

Sorry to keep buggin you and pickin your brain, but after the new high speed aftermarket washer is welded on, should I get new front lower control arms? and obvisouly another alignment as well I take it.

Again, thanks for all the help. I haven't had any issues, but I definitely want to get this worked out because my ultimate goal is to go out west and play on some big boy rocks.
Old 05-25-2010 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by VaNomad0530
Awesome....thanks again for the quick response and thurough info. It looks like that bracket won't help me any though if I'm looking at it right. The required drilled hole is on the axle side and it looks like...again if I'm looking at it right....


Hmmmm....ok then, so lets talk washers any specific type, thickness...etc? I'll probably get one of the local shops to weld this for me.

Sorry to keep buggin you and pickin your brain, but after the new high speed aftermarket washer is welded on, should I get new front lower control arms? and obvisouly another alignment as well I take it.

Again, thanks for all the help. I haven't had any issues, but I definitely want to get this worked out because my ultimate goal is to go out west and play on some big boy rocks.
no need to apologize and you're not buggin me at all. if you take your jeep into a shop to have this fixed, they'll know what to do and use.

being that you want to play on big rocks, you definitely should consider getting at the very least, adjustable front lower control arms as they will give you the caster adjustment you'll want. in fact, when it comes to an alignment, caster is the only thing you will need to address and you can do this yourself at home following this write-up:

http://project-jk.com/jeep-jk-write-...ignment#caster

Old 05-25-2010 | 12:09 PM
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no need to apologize and you're not buggin me at all. if you take your jeep into a shop to have this fixed, they'll know what to do and use.

being that you want to play on big rocks, you definitely should consider getting at the very least, adjustable front lower control arms as they will give you the caster adjustment you'll want. in fact, when it comes to an alignment, caster is the only thing you will need to address and you can do this yourself at home following this write-up:

http://project-jk.com/jeep-jk-write-...ignment#caster

Excellent, Thanks for the help!
Old 05-25-2010 | 12:35 PM
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I went with the AEV 3.5" Premium Kit. I really like the kit, and would do it all over again. I installed it last November with cambolts. I wheeled it a few times through Arizona's rocky trails. I usually take it on trails rated 4+ on a scale of 1-5 (so nothing extreme...don't want body damage :-)). I didn't have any issues with the cambolts. I recently installed the drop brackets mainly due to the "ride" factor. They work. The front absorbs bumps much, much nicer than before! I haven't had a chance to take it offroad, but I don't believe they will impede my ability to have fun with my jeep (even in rocks). Hopefully I can find out in a couple of months....having surgery next week (SUCKS!).

I work in Tempe, AZ. If you wanna meet up and feel how it rides you are more than welcome.

Good luck!
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....I forgot to mention I did have washers welded in place when I installed the control arm drop brackets.

This was under the advisement of AEV. Cost me $40 to have them welded at a local shop.
Old 05-25-2010 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stJeeper
....I forgot to mention I did have washers welded in place when I installed the control arm drop brackets.

This was under the advisement of AEV. Cost me $40 to have them welded at a local shop.
Thanks for the info from everyone. I may just take you up on that offer to AZ! May be a year or two though All about the Benjamins!
Old 05-25-2010 | 01:51 PM
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Ok, so wait....I have another question then....once I get my high speed washer's welded on and I get adjustable front lower control arms....won't that be about the same, performance wise, as the drop down bracket for the CA's?....or no I guess because the angle of the arms will be a lot different right?
Old 05-25-2010 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by VaNomad0530
Ok, so wait....I have another question then....once I get my high speed washer's welded on and I get adjustable front lower control arms....won't that be about the same, performance wise, as the drop down bracket for the CA's?....or no I guess because the angle of the arms will be a lot different right?
the brackets address caster by restoring the factory control arms closer to stock. also, an adjustment to the upper control arms is made to help improve braking. the draw back is that you just paid a good chunk of change to have your jeep lifted and i can't understand the logic of purposefully lowering a critical component that already gets hit all the time and significantly so. to me, this is like the old TJ days when people would install an expensive lift and then install a transfer case drop kit just because they were too cheap to install an SYE and CV driveshaft. just like cam bolts, these brackets are nothing more than an inexpensive solution and one with an added benefit to braking. if you really intend to play on the rocks, it is a significant draw back.

good adjustable control arms not only will allow you to address your caster, they are typically MUCH BEEFIER and most come with at least one end that has a spherical joint that offers a greater amount of bind free flex. to me, this is a no brainer.

btw - if you haven't seen it, this is the most recent video we posted and it shows what an average trail is like for us...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxQHxdRqjKU both my jk's are daily drivers that i drive to all the trails i run. needless to say, on-road handling, performance and comfort are just as important to me as off road capabilities. as i've already stated, if you plan on playing on the rocks, do yourself a favor and get a set of good adjustable front lower control arms. you won't regret it.


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