wayoflife

I never said that they don't work, just that they would only work if they get hit. If you add a winch plate as the AEV bumper allows, it will become a rigid part of your frame capable of transfering massive force to the rest of the chassis. Now, what happens if you hit a pole or tree dead center? How about if you add a roller fairlead to this new rigid part of your frame capable of transfering massive forces to the rest of the chassis. Even if you were to hit something like the entire width of a car evenly, I would think the roller fairlead would prevent the crush can from functioning properly.

But the AEV bumper is made out of stamped steel and is extremely rigid unlike the factory plastic bumper. Deforming it would take a great deal of force.

Oh, I'm sure there is a reason like needing them in order to just meet new federal safety requirements and/or to be able to sell these vehicles in Europe and Japan. Have you ever seen some of the crap that's needed on a Jeep in order to be sold there?

TEV

You know there are probably lots of thing you can attatch to the front bumper to make it safer. Why stop at 2 cans? You can get soup cans for cheap enough.... Maybe just a big piece of foam on the front bumper or perhaps rubber bushings.

Point is that you can go overboard on these things and I think that is exactly what Jeep did. It would be different if a lot of vehicles had them but most vehicles have air bags and most vehicles don't have the soup cans. I mean look at those little things, I find it hard to believe that they do absolutly anything. The fact that AEV included them on thier bumper actually makes it less appealing to me. Thats just my opinion.

este

Jeep doesn't spend a single penny or add an extra ounce of weight unless absolutely required. They stopped painting the antenna and door locks on TJs to save money. The big 3 are kings of cost cutting. I bet AEV does the same, meaning: if they weren't important then why would they waste money on them ?

Thank God someone put it into words clearly! I agree 100%

nota4re and OP: Those are great looking front ends

bonedigger

Sorry everybody I was just wanting to show off pictures of my new bumper and let everyone know that it is not as difficult to install as everyone thinks, I didn't mean to start some big debate

wayoflife

LOL!! Oh, I'm chilled my friend. And, to a degree, I would completely agree with you here

Honestly, I don't really care if you were. It's a good bumper that looks great and certainly, you like it. My problem here is that you go around saying things like "there's a lot of nice bumpers out there" but then continue to cast shadows over them by spreading factless theories.

Am I really so wrong here? I'm sorry, but when I hear statements like...

....I hear FUD. I hear, you need to buy a bumper from a company "the size of AEV" that's afraid of "lawsuits and the bad publicity" and not from a scary nobody shop that's got a "sue me, I'm not worth much", couldn't give a shit about what happens to you if you're ever in an accident policy. For a guy who seems to hate FUD so much, you sure seem to be an expert at it... At least, that's what I've been hearing anyway and by some of the recent responses I've been seeing around here lately, I think that's what they've been hearing it too.

But for what purpose? Why vocally theorize about it at all especially when you "DO NOT have the facts"?? Whether you want to believe it or not, your factless theorizing IS causing FUD amongst our members here. Don't believe me, just read some of the comments being posted here by others that echo the FUD you have been spreading.

Sorry, but I will call it exactly the way I see it. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't true. The FUD you're spreading doesn't stem from the facts you have been stating but rather, it comes from the facts you "DO NOT have" and the "theories" you have been explicitly providing.

In spite of what you might think, I'm just trying to keep the information here as clear as possible, as accurate as possible and as factual as possible. This is done for the benefit of our members and also for the benefit of sponsors like you. Truth of the matter is, if somebody were to be spreading FUD about the products you make, I'd be there trying just as hard to keep things in check as well.

wayoflife

But define "important"? Important based on what? AEV also includes a mesh grille on the front of their bumper with a plasticized logo on it. No doubt they costs extra money, how important is it really to include either of them? Why not just save the money by leaving the grille out and just sicking on a vinly decal with their name on it somewhere?

*SIGH* So why not include a crush can in front of the winch as well? Hell, why even allow the installtion of a big ass roller fairlead to boot? After all, the winch is attached to a winch plate thick enough and stong enough to become a critical part of the frame. And, in spite of what you might think, it won't deform like the rest of the bumper and it WILL transfer massive forces to the rest of the chassis.

davefollower

Just curious. What are you guys to coat the parts you have to cut and drill. I know the manufacturer says to coat certain things that are cut and drilled to prevent rusting. I was gunna throw some por15 on the stuff cause I think I have some extra laying around from the old YJ.

bonedigger

I used rust inhibating spray paint

wayoflife

Naw, you didn't start anything. Great looking Jeep you got there BTW. Don't know if you remember me or not but I saw you up on the Moab Rim Trail with ERICHOPPER.

JKFirefighter

I hear without the crush cans you get an extra trail rated badge.