4" Lift
02-04-2017 | 11:06 AM
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Well money is always a factor but if I do something I want it done right even if it costs more. This will be a DD with an occasional day of wheeling. I'll use it on the road and for hunting for the most part. I have a RZR 1000 with 9.5" of Lift and 35.5" Tractor tires for playing. Not saying that if I break the RZR I won't finish the weekend out in the Jeep but if I do I'll be easy. I want the Jeep to look good on the road and not take any capabilities away from it. I've already ordered the 3.5" JKS lift we talked about earlier and it's already on a truck so I'm gonna stick it out with this one and just upgrade down the road.
02-04-2017 | 11:18 AM
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That's kind of ironic, because the Mopar kit is really not marketed very well in regards to having tuned shocks. However, for those of us who have actually talked to Fox to determine if we could use their off the shelf shocks with the mopar kits as replacements, this is what Fox had to say.
I think I will go in the direction of agreeing to disagree with you on this one Dirtman. I know you know your stuff, but how many shocks/spring combos have you designed and engineered to qualify as an expert in that area? Sorry....going with the guys at Fox on this one. They have no reason to provide a different shock to Mopar if there wasn't any changes to improve the ride quality and the information I just posted isn't "marketing" information that's been marketed. When I start seeing shocks with Dirtman stamped on the side of them, included as a matched set with spring suspension lift then maybe I'll go buy me a set and try them out. Nothing personal, just going with the information from a leading shock company who is known for designing shocks as part of a tuned suspension on applications for the offroad rally race circuits, Nascar, etc. Unless you're going to start telling the guys at Nascar there's no such thing as a tuned suspension, it's just marketing gimmicks and there's no benefit as well?
I'm also glad everyone is spending their time focusing on trying to pick the Mopar lift apart. Would we like to move to the other lifts and do the same as well, or is it just Mopar that interests everyone? I haven't seen a perfect lift or a perfect vendor, so it's not hard to do if you want to really focus on trying to pick apart one particular vendor with all the items you personally seem to have a problem with, which have no substantial real world data supporting it and is just all based on your personal opinion/observation.
I also said the Mopar kit was one of the more complete kits available and provided the additional items that would be needed. I never said it was the "perfect" lift. You want to go into all the additional items on the JKS kit that are needed and see where that price tag goes? We can do the same with the Synergy stuff as well and go into all their joint related problems and rebuild/maintenance that may be needed. This will be fun.
I think I will go in the direction of agreeing to disagree with you on this one Dirtman. I know you know your stuff, but how many shocks/spring combos have you designed and engineered to qualify as an expert in that area? Sorry....going with the guys at Fox on this one. They have no reason to provide a different shock to Mopar if there wasn't any changes to improve the ride quality and the information I just posted isn't "marketing" information that's been marketed. When I start seeing shocks with Dirtman stamped on the side of them, included as a matched set with spring suspension lift then maybe I'll go buy me a set and try them out. Nothing personal, just going with the information from a leading shock company who is known for designing shocks as part of a tuned suspension on applications for the offroad rally race circuits, Nascar, etc. Unless you're going to start telling the guys at Nascar there's no such thing as a tuned suspension, it's just marketing gimmicks and there's no benefit as well?
I'm also glad everyone is spending their time focusing on trying to pick the Mopar lift apart. Would we like to move to the other lifts and do the same as well, or is it just Mopar that interests everyone? I haven't seen a perfect lift or a perfect vendor, so it's not hard to do if you want to really focus on trying to pick apart one particular vendor with all the items you personally seem to have a problem with, which have no substantial real world data supporting it and is just all based on your personal opinion/observation.
I also said the Mopar kit was one of the more complete kits available and provided the additional items that would be needed. I never said it was the "perfect" lift. You want to go into all the additional items on the JKS kit that are needed and see where that price tag goes? We can do the same with the Synergy stuff as well and go into all their joint related problems and rebuild/maintenance that may be needed. This will be fun.
If you buy your shocks from someone like filthy motor sports in Boulder or from ascu-tune in SOCal you can get the shocks valved anyway you want. Off the shelf you get what they are which may for for you or not. Without proper unsprung corner weights and what application and articulation ratio you want you are really not "tuning" the shocks.
Not really wanting to pick apart the Mopar lift just pointing out what differences. You seem very admit on pushing this lift for some reason. Is this what you run?
02-04-2017 | 11:24 AM
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Adams driveshafts = Lifetime Warranty on the Welds and Tubing if they break due to torque. All other Components have a One Year Warranty against any defects.
JKS = Up to 5 year / 100k limited lifetime warranty.
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OP (if going this route) will be installing on a brand new 2017.
Mopar warranty???? 1 year? If that?
I win. Next!
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JKS = Up to 5 year / 100k limited lifetime warranty.
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OP (if going this route) will be installing on a brand new 2017.
Mopar warranty???? 1 year? If that?
I win. Next!
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https://www.mopar.com/etc/designs/mo..._statement.pdf
The Mopar warranty will not only cover the lift parts, but the OE parts and if the parts fail and leave you stranded, it will also cover the cost of the towing and labor.
JKS warranty won't even come close to covering what a Mopar warranty will. They're not even in the same league.
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02-04-2017 | 11:31 AM
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....Is it that I'm really adamant about pushing this lift, or did I just offer it up as a suggestion and then you and the other over the top ass clown decided to be adamant about trying to pick it apart?When I read the discussion, I see the later going on.
This is all that I originally posted but it seems like I must have called someone's mother ugly by offering it up as a suggestion but I still stand by what I said. It's one of the more complete lifts out there available when you start going over 3.5in and the OP seemed to like FOX shocks, where it also comes with a set of the better Fox shocks out there which just happen to have custom valving for this lift. At the end of the day, I could care less what the OP purchases. I just made a suggestion/recommendation and yes, I do have a Mopar lift and it rides great and I have no regrets.
The Mopar 4in lift also comes with dual reservoir Fox shocks, which are specifically tuned by Fox for the Mopar springs for improved better ride quality. It also comes with a Dana/Spicer replacement drive shaft which you will need as well.
Info from Fox: "FOX does not differentiate between the 2dr and the 4dr for their aftermarket shocks. MOPAR made a custom tune for both the 2dr and 4dr JKs and created MOPAR specific shocks for the lifts."
It's one of the more complete lifts out there when you start going higher than 3.5in.
Info from Fox: "FOX does not differentiate between the 2dr and the 4dr for their aftermarket shocks. MOPAR made a custom tune for both the 2dr and 4dr JKs and created MOPAR specific shocks for the lifts."
It's one of the more complete lifts out there when you start going higher than 3.5in.
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02-04-2017 | 01:05 PM
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Definitely!!! I'm guessing they won't have the shiney outside paint on them though. 
I think I'm starting to have a brain child born on this one.
What I'm thinking is that instead of some toxic fluid inside of them for valving pressure adjustment, we fill them with different types of beer and have a keg tapper on the side of each one. Then we can have forum discussions about what tuning and beer works the best for each of our rigs......"Rides great after about 2 beers out of the rears and 1 and half out of the fronts, been running them with a Belgium Dark", "Ahhhh....man, my Jeeps riding like crap today, time to go make a beer run and top my Dirman shocks back off". LOL
I think I'm starting to have a brain child born on this one.
What I'm thinking is that instead of some toxic fluid inside of them for valving pressure adjustment, we fill them with different types of beer and have a keg tapper on the side of each one. Then we can have forum discussions about what tuning and beer works the best for each of our rigs......"Rides great after about 2 beers out of the rears and 1 and half out of the fronts, been running them with a Belgium Dark", "Ahhhh....man, my Jeeps riding like crap today, time to go make a beer run and top my Dirman shocks back off". LOL
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02-04-2017 | 03:35 PM
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I don't get it.
The OP was looking at the Icon lift in the first post, Icon shocks not fox. The teraflex kit he was looking at had teraflex shocks. Not sure where the desire to run fox shocks is at?
Redroll sorry if you are taking the posts personal because you run it, not meant to be that way and glad you are happy with your kit.
I don't get it.
The OP was looking at the Icon lift in the first post, Icon shocks not fox. The teraflex kit he was looking at had teraflex shocks. Not sure where the desire to run fox shocks is at?
Redroll sorry if you are taking the posts personal because you run it, not meant to be that way and glad you are happy with your kit.
02-04-2017 | 04:11 PM
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Rednroll,
It's hard to see your side of this discussion when you are being offensive and name calling. This was a friendly discussion but your tone seems to indicate you took it very personally that some of us aren't as fond of the mopar kit as you are. The mopar kits I have ridden in (the older one with a front limit strap) rode very harsh with the included mopar shocks and wth replacement fox reservoir shocks. I believe the linear springs they use (used?) are too harsh riding. That's an area I would not price shop because it really impacts your everyday enjoyment of the jeep. (The reason I run progressive springs is so I don't have to run spring retainers with 12" travel shocks.)
In all fairness I have no experience with the kit you run, or the one you are recommending, so I'm just going by the picture you posted when I commented.
I have bent factory control arms. That's why I upgraded to synergy control arms.
The reason a lot of kits for 2 doors aren't made higher lift heights is the driveline angle starts to get very severe in the rear, and 2 doors don't need 4" lifts to be extremely capable anyway. (Not to mention 4"+ lifts can start to get dangerous on steep climbs with short wheelbase jeeps.)
I'm glad the OP found and purchased a lift that wasn't teraflex, lol. From what I gather the JKS lifts are well regarded.
It's hard to see your side of this discussion when you are being offensive and name calling. This was a friendly discussion but your tone seems to indicate you took it very personally that some of us aren't as fond of the mopar kit as you are. The mopar kits I have ridden in (the older one with a front limit strap) rode very harsh with the included mopar shocks and wth replacement fox reservoir shocks. I believe the linear springs they use (used?) are too harsh riding. That's an area I would not price shop because it really impacts your everyday enjoyment of the jeep. (The reason I run progressive springs is so I don't have to run spring retainers with 12" travel shocks.)
In all fairness I have no experience with the kit you run, or the one you are recommending, so I'm just going by the picture you posted when I commented.
I have bent factory control arms. That's why I upgraded to synergy control arms.
The reason a lot of kits for 2 doors aren't made higher lift heights is the driveline angle starts to get very severe in the rear, and 2 doors don't need 4" lifts to be extremely capable anyway. (Not to mention 4"+ lifts can start to get dangerous on steep climbs with short wheelbase jeeps.)
I'm glad the OP found and purchased a lift that wasn't teraflex, lol. From what I gather the JKS lifts are well regarded.
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02-04-2017 | 04:40 PM
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This thread got fun.
I'm not going to hate on any kit, but a lot o the kits on the market are going to be missing something.
Many Of us who have a large amount of components replaced below the frame on our jeeps have products from many manufacturers and brands. My setup is franken-as-f@ck, but man does it work.
As far as the coils, I love the dual rate coils. Granted shocks are a huge factor, I prefer them pretty soft.
Getting everything you need in one kit is usually terribly inefficient for the price. Just my experience, but I've also purchased multiple brands and types of products to get the results I desire. The OP has made some pretty good decisions, which is going to show in the final product. Regardless of brand.
I'm not going to hate on any kit, but a lot o the kits on the market are going to be missing something.
Many Of us who have a large amount of components replaced below the frame on our jeeps have products from many manufacturers and brands. My setup is franken-as-f@ck, but man does it work.
As far as the coils, I love the dual rate coils. Granted shocks are a huge factor, I prefer them pretty soft.
Getting everything you need in one kit is usually terribly inefficient for the price. Just my experience, but I've also purchased multiple brands and types of products to get the results I desire. The OP has made some pretty good decisions, which is going to show in the final product. Regardless of brand.
02-04-2017 | 08:03 PM
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Forums are good like that, you can go back in history. Now if your perception of the conversation is bias because you decided to agree with the one starting with the name calling and over the top behavior, I can't help you with that.
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