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What octane gas are you using??

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Old 08-27-2012 | 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by BoneShkr
My only concern was to correct the understanding of the octane values.
How each engine performs with these octane values depends on what
other modifications are made to better utilize a better burning fuel.

ie. a chip in the 'puter, compression ratios, displacement, combustion
chamber size, intensity and duration of the spark, atomized fuel...etc.

This I know for certain;
I own a bone stock 2012 JKU.

On 82 octane I get 15-19.5 mpg on the hwy.
On 101 octane I get 19-24 mpg on the hwy.

I work close to the hwy so doing test runs is easy.
and the 101 octane fuel is Cam II, which is sold near my job.
(mindfully, the 101 octane may be slightly lower as it has "mixed"
with any residual 82 octane in my empty fuel tank.)
Yeah I think the 82 is to low causing the engine to freak out a little cause I can cruise at 80 with a lift and 37" tires and get 19mpg! Bone stock I was well into the 20's on the highway. So I bet if you put "normal" gas ie 87 octane in it I bet your numbers go up. I would get 18-19mpg in the city stock.

Plus who gets differences of 5 miles per gallon on the highway? I drive on the highway a lot and my mpg's for a trip never very more then 1-2mpg.

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Old 08-27-2012 | 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by foxbody
Simply not true...if your engine is tuned for 87, you are not necessarily getting a more complete burn out of higher octane fuel. The reason you see some people reporting better gas mileage or performance on 91 or 93 versus 87 is because premium fuel is often entirely gasoline, not the gasoline/ethanol mix. Gasoline has a higher potential energy per unit of volume than ethanol.

https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/stoc...-myths-201818/

Also: Please, please, please do not confuse octane with potential energy. They are not the same thing.
Yes, what he said. lol. This whole "getting a more complete burn" thing with higher octane and "getting more horsepower and mpg's with higher octane" is just completely incorrect. Yes, higher octane fuel burns slower than low octane fuel. Fact. BUT, the reason one engine performs better with one octane level over the other is dependent on the particular engine's bore, stroke, compression ratio, and timing mainly, amongst a very long list of other things. To put it plainly- If your fuel/air mix burns for a longer time than your piston is able to compress......well...boom! There's no increase in performance about it, but rather a very deadening effect on your components over time. That's the kindergarten version of the story anyway.
Old 08-27-2012 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by sirkle
Yes, what he said. lol. This whole "getting a more complete burn" thing with higher octane and "getting more horsepower and mpg's with higher octane" is just completely incorrect. Yes, higher octane fuel burns slower than low octane fuel. Fact. BUT, the reason one engine performs better with one octane level over the other is dependent on the particular engine's bore, stroke, compression ratio, and timing mainly, amongst a very long list of other things. To put it plainly- If your fuel/air mix burns for a longer time than your piston is able to compress......well...boom! There's no increase in performance about it, but rather a very deadening effect on your components over time. That's the kindergarten version of the story anyway.
Thank you. Speaking for those of us who are less mechanically inclined (but learning!) the kindergarten version is much appreciated.
Old 08-27-2012 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by BoneShkr
In a Normal civilian vehicle, low octane will not hurt the engine, but don't be looking for
a great mpg either. If You want to stretch your mpg's, go with the higher octane.
If you want power and performance, go with the higher octane.
If your concerned with how much money Gas costs, go with the lower octane.
I'm going through fuel mileage tests right now. I'm on my 3rd tank of "premium" and I've lost about 3 mpg while running it. After this tank I go to the mid range stuff. There is little to no change on how the motor performs. So far it is looking like the 87 does just fine, and unless some incredible change happens with the 89 octane I wont be changing the fuel the motor calls for.

I typically go through 2 takes of gas a week. Since 90% of my driving is my commute to work my driving habbits don't chagne day to day.
Old 08-27-2012 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by scott franklin
Thank you. Speaking for those of us who are less mechanically inclined (but learning!) the kindergarten version is much appreciated.
Haha no problem! I'm by no means a mechanical genius, but these few things about engines I do know. The reason a slower burning (higher octane) fuel "can" have potential to produce higher horsepower (in an engine designed for it, of course) is because the slower burning fuel burns for a longer period of time, thus producing a longer power stroke of the piston. i.e. race cars/boats burning 110+ octane. In those engines the high octane fuel/air mix burns "slowly" and for a longer time inside the cylinder thus creating more energy and downward force of the piston, which is turning the crank, thus creating horsepower. But, the only way the engine is getting that full energy potential is if, and only if, the valves are closed and the piston is able to move downward. Eventually, that piston reaches the end of its stroke, and the crank is forcing it back up again to expel the consumed fuel/air mix (exhaust). So, if your fuel/air mixture is still burning and hasn't been consumed and become exhaust at the point that the piston's power stroke is over and it's beginning its travel back upward, you're in trouble. The burn speed of your fuel must match your particular engine's timing, which is dependent on numerous things. Moral of the story....as far as I know (disclaimer ), JK's are designed for 87.




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