Need Some Help - Petition against Dona Ana National Monument
#1
Need Some Help - Petition against Dona Ana National Monument
We really could use everyone's help on this... This proposal will not affect those of us who off road, but countless other folks who do not fully understand the full impact the national monument will have on the area. It would be really nice to see the number of signatures explode on this...
http://www.change.org/petitions/oppo...ona-ana-county
Thanks all!!!
Jason
http://www.change.org/petitions/oppo...ona-ana-county
Thanks all!!!
Jason
#2
did this yesterday..
I also got down to the area for the first time a few weeks ago,, did Hoppin Jalapeno and went further down the creak/arroyo bed before we turned around and found the exit... not sure what trail we were on... some Las Cruces jeeper were guiding us...
the next day we did part of the Dona Ana Trails....
sure hope this doesn't pass and shuts down the west side of the interstate.
I also got down to the area for the first time a few weeks ago,, did Hoppin Jalapeno and went further down the creak/arroyo bed before we turned around and found the exit... not sure what trail we were on... some Las Cruces jeeper were guiding us...
the next day we did part of the Dona Ana Trails....
sure hope this doesn't pass and shuts down the west side of the interstate.
#3
It's not only the Robledo mountains but also includes the Dona Ana mountain area too so we'd be losing those areas as well. It's taking the current BLM land total of 115,000 +/- acres to 455,000 +/- acres should it go through...
#4
Unclear
Question: Is there a link that explains what type monument they want to create in this area?.. Perhaps they are viewing this as a way to open the area and make more accessible for police and boarder patrol. But then again.. city council/government vote on the silliest things..
#5
Signed. As the petition says, there needs to be s more open process for set-aside designations, and multi-use. A national monument can be a very good thing--Grand Staircase-Escalante was protected from mining by such a designation, and is generally open to off-highway travel. Wilderness designations are also appropriate, when needed to protect animal populations. The plans need better discussion with all stakeholders represented. Meanwhile, offroaders improve their arguments if they tread lightly.
#6
The designation is for a National Monument which falls under the worst case scenario category. The area sheriff's department has had one of the loudest voices of opposition to it because it will shut them out of areas that need the most help from a law enforcement stand point. It will also hinder EMS services and despite what some proponents are saying border patrol will not be able to do their job correctly. In addition to all that it has been noted that the current BLM staff will oversee the whole area on their own, no increase in manpower. As it is they are already having a very difficult time maintaining the current 115,000 acres and still are in dispute in regards to the management plan.
As far as the Grand Escalante monument, the whole mining thing was not entirely true nor was it the main point. If you look at current data, the monument status has not had the positive economic impact that was originally expected nor was there the amount of "mining companies" interested in the land. What it did do was take over a little over 9,000 acres of private land, effectively killed off hunting and fishing in the area, seriously reduced the amount of recreational areas open to the public, killed off any grazing that could be done in the area, as well as a number of other issues either directly or through associated lawsuits posted after the designation was made.
This is the case with here as well, the numbers being used to support the designation are based on national parks that have well known landmarks such as Yosemite, Yellowstone, and the Grand Canyon which in no way should be used to compare to a local small town landmark such as Kilborne Hole or the WWII bombing targets. The whole thing has been a farce including the so-called town hall meeting where the group who got this whole thing going bused in 7 buses of "supporters" from Albuquerque and Santa Fe and were given preferential seating at the meeting. By doing so they filled the room to capacity which left those who actually live here and care about the area outside. The best part is that the senators who put this into motion have never actually visited the area until that day and were shown around via 4x4 vehicles since stock vehicles will not make it out into some of the areas affected. How's that for justice...
As far as the Grand Escalante monument, the whole mining thing was not entirely true nor was it the main point. If you look at current data, the monument status has not had the positive economic impact that was originally expected nor was there the amount of "mining companies" interested in the land. What it did do was take over a little over 9,000 acres of private land, effectively killed off hunting and fishing in the area, seriously reduced the amount of recreational areas open to the public, killed off any grazing that could be done in the area, as well as a number of other issues either directly or through associated lawsuits posted after the designation was made.
This is the case with here as well, the numbers being used to support the designation are based on national parks that have well known landmarks such as Yosemite, Yellowstone, and the Grand Canyon which in no way should be used to compare to a local small town landmark such as Kilborne Hole or the WWII bombing targets. The whole thing has been a farce including the so-called town hall meeting where the group who got this whole thing going bused in 7 buses of "supporters" from Albuquerque and Santa Fe and were given preferential seating at the meeting. By doing so they filled the room to capacity which left those who actually live here and care about the area outside. The best part is that the senators who put this into motion have never actually visited the area until that day and were shown around via 4x4 vehicles since stock vehicles will not make it out into some of the areas affected. How's that for justice...
#7
Why does every acre have to be closed. There is so much open space in the west it's not like these areas take up that much.
Choke cherry in Farmington is also in danger!
And the Rio Puerco is also getting close Which that I can understand.
Last edited by JK-jeepit; 02-28-2014 at 02:58 PM.
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#8
Wow. The guys we wheeled with said the Dana Anna area was safe, or at least that's what I thought. ^^ Nice summary above..
Why does every acre have to be closed. There is so much open space in the west it's not like these areas take up that much.
Choke cherry in Farmington is also in danger!
And the Rio Puerco is also getting close Which that I can understand.
Why does every acre have to be closed. There is so much open space in the west it's not like these areas take up that much.
Choke cherry in Farmington is also in danger!
And the Rio Puerco is also getting close Which that I can understand.
You'll see in the proposal the black area east of 25 is the Dona Ana area, and if I remember right that image is slightly incorrect and in fact should show more black than it does. It really is ridiculous what the green party is wanting from this designation, and after hearing some of them speak about how free it will make the area it really proves how dumb they are. As per the Western Heritage Alliance:
Some facts about National Monuments (NMs) in New Mexico:
New Mexico National Monuments: Aztec Ruins, Capulin Volcano, El Morro, Gila Cliff Dwellings, Petroglyphs, Salinas Pueblo, Bandelier, El Maplais, Fort Union, Tent Rocks, Prehistoric Trackways, White Sands
There are 12 National Monuments in New Mexico; 11 have management plans
10 are managed by the National Park Service, 2 are managed by the BLM
No HUNTING is allowed in 11 of the 12 NMs
HUNTING is discouraged in order to protect native wildlife
No GRAZING is allowed in 11 of the 12 NMs
NPS policy is to eliminate commercial grazing by "non-native species"
No OVERNIGHT RV CAMPING is allowed in 10 of the 12 NMs
No OVERNIGHT BACKPACK CAMPING is allowed in 9 of the 12 NMs
No MOTORIZED VEHICLE USE allowed on trails per NPS policy to limit unnatural sounds
HORSEBACK RIDING in Bandelier NM is limited to 2 groups of 6 horses daily
No FUEL WOOD GATHERING
LAW ENFORCEMENT RESTRICTIONS: NPS policy states that "within the National Park System boundaries, the Service will fulfill its law enforcement responsibilities using NPS employees"
FEES are charged in 9 of the 12 NMs (NM currently have free of charge access)
NPS policy for PETS (except guide dogs) are prohibited from entering National Monument buildings, visitor centers, ranger led activities, using trails and all back country areas per NPS policy. Where allowed on trails, pets must be on 6 ft. leashes at all times.
New Mexico National Monuments: Aztec Ruins, Capulin Volcano, El Morro, Gila Cliff Dwellings, Petroglyphs, Salinas Pueblo, Bandelier, El Maplais, Fort Union, Tent Rocks, Prehistoric Trackways, White Sands
There are 12 National Monuments in New Mexico; 11 have management plans
10 are managed by the National Park Service, 2 are managed by the BLM
No HUNTING is allowed in 11 of the 12 NMs
HUNTING is discouraged in order to protect native wildlife
No GRAZING is allowed in 11 of the 12 NMs
NPS policy is to eliminate commercial grazing by "non-native species"
No OVERNIGHT RV CAMPING is allowed in 10 of the 12 NMs
No OVERNIGHT BACKPACK CAMPING is allowed in 9 of the 12 NMs
No MOTORIZED VEHICLE USE allowed on trails per NPS policy to limit unnatural sounds
HORSEBACK RIDING in Bandelier NM is limited to 2 groups of 6 horses daily
No FUEL WOOD GATHERING
LAW ENFORCEMENT RESTRICTIONS: NPS policy states that "within the National Park System boundaries, the Service will fulfill its law enforcement responsibilities using NPS employees"
FEES are charged in 9 of the 12 NMs (NM currently have free of charge access)
NPS policy for PETS (except guide dogs) are prohibited from entering National Monument buildings, visitor centers, ranger led activities, using trails and all back country areas per NPS policy. Where allowed on trails, pets must be on 6 ft. leashes at all times.
#9
Grand Staircase-Escalante NM has the largest deposits of compliance coal in the U.S. according to the USGS--it was a significant withdrawal of resources from development. I don't know about hunting in the monument, and not being a hunter (nor anti-hunting), could not care less whether it or Dona Ana are closed or open to hunting. In relaying complaints about what the NPS does in an attempt to transfer the arguments over to BLM managed properties, you become just as misleading as those green party people.
Last edited by Mark Doiron; 03-01-2014 at 11:59 AM.
#10
Grand Staircase-Escalante NM has the largest deposits of compliance coal in the U.S. according to the USGS--it was a significant withdrawal of resources from development. I don't know about hunting in the monument, and not being a hunter (nor anti-hunting), could not care less whether it or Dona Ana are closed or open to hunting. In relaying complaints about what the NPS does in an attempt to transfer the arguments over to BLM managed properties, you become just as misleading as those green party people.
National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers
Dona Ana County Sheriff's Department
Greater Las Cruces Chamber of Commerce
Elephant Butte Irrigation District
Dona Ana Soil and Water Conservation District
Hidalgo Soil And Water Conservation District
Council of Border Conservation Districts
New Mexico Coalition of Conservation Districts
Southwestern County Commission Alliance
Dona Ana County Farm and Livestock Bureau
Farm Credit of New Mexico
New Mexico Farm & Livestock Bureau
Mesilla Valley Sportsmen's Alliance
Hope this helps clear up any misleading statements I may have made, but also keep in mind that this not only affects us but could potentially affect many many many other areas across the U.S.