JK Diesels
11-13-2007, 03:03 AM
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That's only assuming a 1:1 ratio. ( I see you're only referring to input torque, but also consider output torque )
What happens when you shift into 4-Low and multiply the torque output by the low range ratio?
Stuff breaks. That's what happens. Especially with larger tires.
What happens when you shift into 4-Low and multiply the torque output by the low range ratio?
Stuff breaks. That's what happens. Especially with larger tires.
It would be nice if Jeep could make an official statement (with factual data) why they don't sell this model in the USA or other countries. It is very strange that they don't listen to their customers. Surely, by making the models buyers want they would actually sell more products.
11-13-2007, 09:34 AM
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That was my opinion as well, but as the 4-door Diesel Rubicon is only available in Belgium for some stupid reason that nobody knows, I had to settle for a Diesel Sahara instead.
11-13-2007, 02:24 PM
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You have to consider that after travelling for 3 weeks throughout Europe I saw tons of North American built vehicles built here with gas engines only but were sold as diesels there. Even my 89 YJ manual mentioned them and I saw XJ's too.
You just have to realise that for the longest time before Al Gore's diatribes we've been leading the world with environmental band-aids.
If people only saw what the rest of the world is doing to screw it up we'd all give up on trying to fix it.
Pollution doesn't just hover over were it's produced.
11-15-2007, 05:06 AM
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You just have to realise that for the longest time before Al Gore's diatribes we've been leading the world with environmental band-aids. If people only saw what the rest of the world is doing to screw it up we'd all give up on trying to fix it. Pollution doesn't just hover over were it's produced.
Slide 3 on this presentation from Bosch regarding their Urea Injection/AdBlue/BlueTec type system explains why there isn't a JK diesel in North America at the moment and why the European diesel JK with the VM motor is probably not going to make it to the USA in its current form. http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehicles...eer_hesser.pdf
I had initially thought that my diesel JK was Euro 4 compliant, but I now think it is Euro 5 compliant. They don't state compliance on any marketing materials.
I think Jeep have already satisfied the 2008 European regulations as this gives them up to 5-years of production in Europe without any motor changes. However, the 2007 Federal regulations are tighter than the Euro 5 regs. So if Jeep aim to produce a JK diesel to meet the 2010 Federal regs, they will also have a diesel that will exceed Euro 5 and future standards. They can get by on gasoline motors in the USA for as long as gas stays cheap. As soon as gas equals European prices I am sure bio-diesel is going to become a major factor in the US.
Last edited by Vince; 11-15-2007 at 05:09 AM.
11-16-2007, 09:32 AM
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I got mine today so don't have a lot of info yet.
What I can say is that the Diesel is NOT noisy and definitely NOT a racing engine but it seems to have a lot of torque.
6th gear is nice for the Highway. I'll give you more info when I got at least 1000 KM on it.
11-17-2007, 09:54 PM
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I did some more digging and it turns out the euro diesels wont run on the high sulfur american fuel. clogs the direct injection. Australia went to the low sulfur arround 2002 and then BMW, Merc, and others were able to bring their diesels.
just wait till your petrol goes up to euro like prices and watch the public demand for diesel cars go through the roof.
just wait till your petrol goes up to euro like prices and watch the public demand for diesel cars go through the roof.
Living in Europe leaves you with no other alternative than DIESEL ...at least for the moment.Consider 70% of our gas prices are pure taxes (!!!)
Being combined with the Mercedes Benz 5 Speed A/T the TD is quiet a respectable source for the JK.Way better fuel economy without a doubt and the price difference is equilized in a breeze through the much higher resale value.Driving is okay and in some circumstances even a little quicker off the line than the V6 JK.
BUT : Yes the sound is plain horrible and absolutely hard to get used to.At least for someone like me ..... being around Jeeps for the last 25 + years
Well,like always:You cant have it all ......
Chris
P.S.: By the way the liter gas is closed to 1.50 Euros over here.Do the math and you will love your local gas station
11-17-2007, 11:18 PM
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Hi Chris,
the automatic is not MB, it´s a chrysler one, 10 years old. If i knew the kind of working of this transmission, I would have taken the manual. The Programming is ugly and maybe good for an gas engine.
the automatic is not MB, it´s a chrysler one, 10 years old. If i knew the kind of working of this transmission, I would have taken the manual. The Programming is ugly and maybe good for an gas engine.
11-18-2007, 06:28 AM
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