CNBC This Morning: Electric/Gas Wrangler in 2010
09-23-2008, 05:28 PM
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This is the future of 4WD/AWD. You don't need 4LO when the best torque of an electric motor is at the slow end.
They made a proof-of-concept H1 years ago.
It was better than the gas Hummer in every category, with the added bonus of an all-electric stealth mode.
Provided they don't price it out of the market like the hybrid Tahoe, you WILL find me driving an EV Jeep.
Not to toot my own horn, but I had a website during the crazy '90s and early '00s that followed early hybrid development. Please ignore all the paid links. It was the "no capital" internet boom and people actually made money from click-throughs. (and the dot com boom promptly collapsed soon after)
They made a proof-of-concept H1 years ago.
It was better than the gas Hummer in every category, with the added bonus of an all-electric stealth mode.
Provided they don't price it out of the market like the hybrid Tahoe, you WILL find me driving an EV Jeep.
Not to toot my own horn, but I had a website during the crazy '90s and early '00s that followed early hybrid development. Please ignore all the paid links. It was the "no capital" internet boom and people actually made money from click-throughs. (and the dot com boom promptly collapsed soon after)
09-23-2008, 05:41 PM
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Electric Wrangler
I heard on the news tonight that Chrysler plans to compete with GM and have electric vehicle in production by 2010.
They are talking about a 2 door Dodge that would run only on battery. In addition to that they will have a Jeep Wrangler Electric Hybrid and a Caravan/Town and Country Electric Hybrid. The Chevrolet Volt is an electric hybrid.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=agpSt.6Kl8wQ
They are talking about a 2 door Dodge that would run only on battery. In addition to that they will have a Jeep Wrangler Electric Hybrid and a Caravan/Town and Country Electric Hybrid. The Chevrolet Volt is an electric hybrid.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=agpSt.6Kl8wQ
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09-23-2008, 07:48 PM
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09-23-2008, 08:23 PM
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Well, they mentioned that one would be out in 2010, and I bet that's the minivan. Seems like they'd sell a lot more of those.
I dunno, I don't see the JK getting much attention any time too soon. Hell, I'd be happy to see a Phoenix engine in the JK in 2010, nevermind a fully electric version. But that's not slated to happen for quite a while either.
No, I think the 3.8 is here to stay for a while.
I dunno, I don't see the JK getting much attention any time too soon. Hell, I'd be happy to see a Phoenix engine in the JK in 2010, nevermind a fully electric version. But that's not slated to happen for quite a while either.
No, I think the 3.8 is here to stay for a while.
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09-23-2008, 08:56 PM
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... The Jeep EV Range-extended Electric Vehicle uses an electric motor, an advanced lithium-ion battery system, and a small gasoline engine with an integrated electric generator to produce additional energy to power the electric-drive system when needed. The 200 kW (268 horsepower) electric motor generates 400 N•m (295 lb.-ft.) of torque. With approximately eight gallons of gasoline, the Jeep EV has a range of 400 miles, including 40 miles of zero fuel-consumption, zero-emissions, all-electric operation.
“We are also exploring four-wheel-drive, in-wheel electric motors to demonstrate the full reach of ENVI’s advanced electric-drive technologies,” said Rhodes.
Electric-drive System
Power: 200 kW (268 hp)
Torque: 400 N·m (295 lbs.-ft.)
Energy
Recovery: Regenerative braking
Battery System
Type: Lithium-ion
Energy: 27 kWh
Peak power: 200 kW
Voltage: 370 to 410
Charging: Onboard charger - dual voltage
110/120-volt outlet (15A) – standard household power outlet
220/240-volt outlet: (30A) - household appliance power outlet
Performance
0-60 mph: 9.0 seconds
¼-mile
Acceleration: 16.5 seconds
Top speed: More than 90 mph
Range (city): 400 miles, with more than 40 miles all-electric (50 mpg)
https://www.chryslerllc.com/pdf/envi/JeepEV_specs.pdf
http://cgmedia.daimlerchrysler.com/n...?id=8226&mid=1
“We are also exploring four-wheel-drive, in-wheel electric motors to demonstrate the full reach of ENVI’s advanced electric-drive technologies,” said Rhodes.
Electric-drive System
Power: 200 kW (268 hp)
Torque: 400 N·m (295 lbs.-ft.)
Energy
Recovery: Regenerative braking
Battery System
Type: Lithium-ion
Energy: 27 kWh
Peak power: 200 kW
Voltage: 370 to 410
Charging: Onboard charger - dual voltage
110/120-volt outlet (15A) – standard household power outlet
220/240-volt outlet: (30A) - household appliance power outlet
Performance
0-60 mph: 9.0 seconds
¼-mile
Acceleration: 16.5 seconds
Top speed: More than 90 mph
Range (city): 400 miles, with more than 40 miles all-electric (50 mpg)
https://www.chryslerllc.com/pdf/envi/JeepEV_specs.pdf
http://cgmedia.daimlerchrysler.com/n...?id=8226&mid=1
The electric motor might have big horsepower and torque numbers but to get that 40 mile range, I'll bet that they did 2WD straight line city driving at 25 mph (maybe only using 1/10th the power of that motor). Also note that the 400 mile range is city (again only requiring minimum motor power).
My best guess, using such a system offroad, you would get less that a 4 miles on total electric and the 1 liter gas engine/generator would only provide enough current to put 50 horsepower/60 foot pounds of torque down to the ground. That ain't going to get you anywhere fast nor will it get you unstuck.
Just look at the specs on the motor and the capacity of the battery.
200 KW electric motor being driven by a 27 KWh battery.
Not counting the battery energy loss at high rate of discharge, thats 8.1 minutes of run time at full power.
The system might work for the road going soccer moms but clearly this system will not work for rugged trail use.
Our best bet for EV in future years, Hydrogen fuel cell to an electric engine.
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09-24-2008, 12:02 AM
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Fair point, however:
Range Rover Sport = 45mpg
Audi Q7 = 47mpg
VW Toureag = 46mph
BMW X3 / X5 / X6 = 38-49mpg (depending on model)
Land Rover Defender = 38mpg
all of these either are mpg's of friends vehucles and all used how mine is used, light off road use/green laning and a fair whack of tarmac at 70-90mph cruising speeds, and they all exceed or come close to exceeding the combined hybrid mpg - and they are all stock diesel engines
My point about my A3 is actually that there are already a bunch of companies out there who through engine refinement and development can produce far superior engines capable of much further range than what we have.
If they are serious about developing better mpg, the front and side profile needs to be looked at and edges smoothed/honed
Range Rover Sport = 45mpg
Audi Q7 = 47mpg
VW Toureag = 46mph
BMW X3 / X5 / X6 = 38-49mpg (depending on model)
Land Rover Defender = 38mpg
all of these either are mpg's of friends vehucles and all used how mine is used, light off road use/green laning and a fair whack of tarmac at 70-90mph cruising speeds, and they all exceed or come close to exceeding the combined hybrid mpg - and they are all stock diesel engines
My point about my A3 is actually that there are already a bunch of companies out there who through engine refinement and development can produce far superior engines capable of much further range than what we have.
If they are serious about developing better mpg, the front and side profile needs to be looked at and edges smoothed/honed