That's ok. That is why we are here!

 

I agree! Although it's entertaining to read, I'm surprised this argument has been going on for so long. Everyone has their own opinion and it's unlikely you're going to change it. Just calm down a bit...

 

I don't own a jeep. But I wish I could. I love hanging around on the forum and the people on here I just can't afford it right now and can't wait til I can.

 

Leave California alone!

While I agree that the OP is being kind of a tool posting on a JK site and he's pretty much picked a fight with you, there is NO reason for you to bash a state that has a ton of things to offer that you are certainly missing.

For instance, three weeks ago I was in Sequoia National Park admiring the largest living things on Earth. It snowed 28 inches in a day and I drove the jeep.

I have Snowboarded in the mountains and sailed on the Pacific. ON THE SAME DAY.

I can open my garage and ride my mountain bike to the top of a mountain range that is over 4000 feet (or 2000 feet higher than the highest point in Michigan).

I can hop on my road bike and within an hour be looking at girls in bikinis on the beach in february. If I am lucky, I will also see Gray whales migrating off our coast. The most interesting thing about that ride? I did it on public bike trails and never once had to ride next to a car.

You can wheel ALL YEAR LONG. Desert in the winter, throw in some of the best rock climbing the country has to offer just for grins. The Sierras in the Summer with some of the most beautiful backpacking and camping you could imagine.

Since you mention all of the great trails in Canada, It would be wrong of me to not mention the Rubicon. While technically not SoCal, Canada isn't even America.

I will also mention Spring in Yosemite with its waterfalls, Fall in Kings Canyon with changing leaves, Joshua Tree rock climbing, sailing, diving and deep sea fishing off the Channel Islands, wild flowers in the Mojave Desert.

If you want culture, let's talk culture. I work at one of Time Magazine's top 5 regional theatres in the country. We have world renowned symphonies, art galleries, museums, and Hollywood. Give Hollywood all the shit you want, as long as you don't watch tv or never go see a movie. If you do, STFU about Hollywood.

You are right, traffic sucks. My JK is my DD and I have spent my fair share of time in traffic. But, I have spent my fair share of time in traffic with no top on the jeep in November.

While there are a lot of things that are bad about California, there is one thing it will never have...

DETROIT

 

guys why are we even rising to this. if the guy wants a raptor let him have one. The fact that he is directly comparing two vehicles designed to do totally different things and priced in totally different segments, and doing it on a jk forum is probably sigh that he is not the sharpest tool in the drawer. if a raptor can meet all of his needs offroad than no a jeep is not worth it for him. a jeep is for extreme offroading and one makes concessions for this capability. If he is looking at a raptor he does not need this kind of capability.

 

Sorry, I wasn't really trying to go out of my way to bash Cali. I actually think it's a beautiful state. One of my favorites to travel to, but when someone starts a conversation like this 1st, at a weak attempt at a personal insult.......

Then the gloves are coming off. It's obviously just his snobbery and ignorance coming out again. It's like he's pompous enough to actually think I'm some how stuck living in Michigan and it's a place that I wouldn't want to live. Which is actually pretty hilarious to me since the company I work for has a location in SoCal and so does the customer that I work with the most Lexus/Toyota, with their North American Sales/Marketing head quarters located in Torrance. So if I really wanted to relocate to California it wouldn't even be a problem and my company would most likely even pay for all my moving expenses. They've already asked me in the past, if I would be interested in moving there. Thus, the reasons why I often travel to SoCal for business, to visit our SoCal location and to meet with my customer representatives at Lexus/Toyota. So yeah....for him to bash on Michigan while not even have traveled it and condemn it like nobody would ever want to live there and acting like he's so much better off than me is just ridiculous. I take responsibility though since, I shouldn't have gotten involved in his childish behavior. So I apologize for that.

Also....tread lightly on the DETROIT stuff. I've been to the East Side of Hollywood and the South side of L.A. Let's just say, these are areas that I wouldn't want to be driving my JK with the soft top on and leave it at that.

Cheers!!