2012 Rubicon Price
03-01-2012, 09:17 PM
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Destination fees are included in the price both invoice and MSRP.
Title fees are dictated by the state and each state is different.
Tax rates are different in each state.
Taxable amount depends on trade-in or not. (My 2010 Challenger was worth more than my 2012 Rubicon, so I didn't pay a dime in sales taxes).
He was asking on a forum not specific to a certain state about a price for a 2012 Unlimited Rubicon with a hardtop. All the other stuff is paid to the state and is not negotiable.
Title fees are dictated by the state and each state is different.
Tax rates are different in each state.
Taxable amount depends on trade-in or not. (My 2010 Challenger was worth more than my 2012 Rubicon, so I didn't pay a dime in sales taxes).
He was asking on a forum not specific to a certain state about a price for a 2012 Unlimited Rubicon with a hardtop. All the other stuff is paid to the state and is not negotiable.
I have seen doc fees as high as 600 bucks. But most in AZ and now in Ca are between 200-400 dollars. Add ons such as extended warranties, special coats(spray to help clean/protect) for the vehicle can all add to the otd costs and profit for the dealer. Not all states give you tax breaks with trades. In CA it does not matter what the value of the trade in is, you will still have to pay the entire sales tax. CA also pays sales tax on used private party vehicle sales, double taxation anyone???
03-02-2012, 05:51 AM
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i work at a dealership in the tn\va area.....ive sold many a jeep at invoice or pretty close to it...not all car salesman are complete
dicks, the good majority are just trying to make an honest living...at least thats how it is where i am at....we dont really like talking price over the phone simply because there is so much that goes into it once it is all said and done and so many different options and packages...it just kinda erks me when i see so much bashing of car dealers on here...there are good ones out there that drive and enjoy jeeps just as much as the next guy, you just have to find the right person....at least from my point of view, if you like the salesman and the salesman likes you chances are you are gonna be taken care of...if you approach the situation and are an ass right off the bat then you are gonna have a bad buying experience regardless..we have to make a profit, profit is not a bad word but the good majority of the time we are making hold back and a dock fee and thats it....i think that is kinda fair for a 25-35k purchase....most new car units sold are more of a volume than a profit type of thing, used inventory is where most of the profit comes from...
dicks, the good majority are just trying to make an honest living...at least thats how it is where i am at....we dont really like talking price over the phone simply because there is so much that goes into it once it is all said and done and so many different options and packages...it just kinda erks me when i see so much bashing of car dealers on here...there are good ones out there that drive and enjoy jeeps just as much as the next guy, you just have to find the right person....at least from my point of view, if you like the salesman and the salesman likes you chances are you are gonna be taken care of...if you approach the situation and are an ass right off the bat then you are gonna have a bad buying experience regardless..we have to make a profit, profit is not a bad word but the good majority of the time we are making hold back and a dock fee and thats it....i think that is kinda fair for a 25-35k purchase....most new car units sold are more of a volume than a profit type of thing, used inventory is where most of the profit comes from...
As far as profit, the trade-in value is also a thorn in the side. Who really cares about how close the vehicle sale price is to invoice when they take advantage of you on a trade in?
This type of behavior has required consumers to be as educated as possible.
03-02-2012, 05:54 AM
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03-02-2012, 06:26 AM
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i dotn think everyone thinks every salesguy is a dick, else noone would ever buy a car. But i can tell you just this week the dichotomy between dealerships is why i drove 75 miles to buy mine. One guy low balled my trade by 3 grand, then said the other guy was lying, then said he couldnt do invoice, etc. even when i told him about treadlightly. also, he didnt want to order. it was so bad, i was somewhat amazed.
the guy i bought from gave em a fiar price on trade, worked out order over email and phone, honored treadlightly, commented on what a good deal treadlightly was in context of deal otherwise, etc.
no brainer.
im tempted to email the other guy the transaction materials on the guy i bought from. especially since he insisted, "Oh, theyre just saying that to get you up there and then turn the deal around on you." Like Im an idiot. Its truly insulting.
Its not that vehicles arent expensive. they are. we know that. we also know how things get done. When folks treat buyers poorly, they remember it. I will never go that dealer again. And will advise my friends of the same. Also, at a different time they were pretty consdescending to my wife, who happens to have a PhD and two businesses. They asked her if it was ok with her husband. Bad call, boys. She walked out too.
Frankly, id love to contact the store owner and advise him of what shenanigans he has going on at his dealership.
the guy i bought from gave em a fiar price on trade, worked out order over email and phone, honored treadlightly, commented on what a good deal treadlightly was in context of deal otherwise, etc.
no brainer.
im tempted to email the other guy the transaction materials on the guy i bought from. especially since he insisted, "Oh, theyre just saying that to get you up there and then turn the deal around on you." Like Im an idiot. Its truly insulting.
Its not that vehicles arent expensive. they are. we know that. we also know how things get done. When folks treat buyers poorly, they remember it. I will never go that dealer again. And will advise my friends of the same. Also, at a different time they were pretty consdescending to my wife, who happens to have a PhD and two businesses. They asked her if it was ok with her husband. Bad call, boys. She walked out too.
Frankly, id love to contact the store owner and advise him of what shenanigans he has going on at his dealership.
03-02-2012, 06:28 AM
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i work at a dealership in the tn\va area.....ive sold many a jeep at invoice or pretty close to it...not all car salesman are complete
dicks, the good majority are just trying to make an honest living...at least thats how it is where i am at....we dont really like talking price over the phone simply because there is so much that goes into it once it is all said and done and so many different options and packages...it just kinda erks me when i see so much bashing of car dealers on here...there are good ones out there that drive and enjoy jeeps just as much as the next guy, you just have to find the right person....at least from my point of view, if you like the salesman and the salesman likes you chances are you are gonna be taken care of...if you approach the situation and are an ass right off the bat then you are gonna have a bad buying experience regardless..we have to make a profit, profit is not a bad word but the good majority of the time we are making hold back and a dock fee and thats it....i think that is kinda fair for a 25-35k purchase....most new car units sold are more of a volume than a profit type of thing, used inventory is where most of the profit comes from...
dicks, the good majority are just trying to make an honest living...at least thats how it is where i am at....we dont really like talking price over the phone simply because there is so much that goes into it once it is all said and done and so many different options and packages...it just kinda erks me when i see so much bashing of car dealers on here...there are good ones out there that drive and enjoy jeeps just as much as the next guy, you just have to find the right person....at least from my point of view, if you like the salesman and the salesman likes you chances are you are gonna be taken care of...if you approach the situation and are an ass right off the bat then you are gonna have a bad buying experience regardless..we have to make a profit, profit is not a bad word but the good majority of the time we are making hold back and a dock fee and thats it....i think that is kinda fair for a 25-35k purchase....most new car units sold are more of a volume than a profit type of thing, used inventory is where most of the profit comes from...
