Proper Manual Techniques
#21
ok so I got it. use the clutch to only shift gears and not as a throttle. my question is what range do you shift in while in 4lo? Do I do it at a higher rpm or at around 3000 like I do in 2hi and 4hi? I've wheeled in both 4hi and 4lo and thought that 4lo was only to get out of sticky situations but I guess not
#22
ok so I got it. use the clutch to only shift gears and not as a throttle. my question is what range do you shift in while in 4lo? Do I do it at a higher rpm or at around 3000 like I do in 2hi and 4hi? I've wheeled in both 4hi and 4lo and thought that 4lo was only to get out of sticky situations but I guess not
If the mud hole looks serious (like its filled with peanut butter), i just stop in front of it, and go in 1st gear all the way through. Keeping the RPMs under 4000.
If it moderate, then just start rolling in 2nd gear, and go through it. If at any time in 2nd gear you feel like your RPMs are dropping fast and you are about to stall (you are pretty much screwed), hit the clutch pop it into neutral and let the clutch out fast, before you start sucking mud into your throw out bearing through the bellhousing ventilation openings. I said it before, i'll say it again, you do not want to get stalled while in water up to your rocker panels, if you stall and start under water, your starter will go bye bye on you. Now you have to work fast, and put it in either 1st gear or reverse, and try it again, This time in 1st all the way through.
If you are driving in 4low (i hate switching from 4low to 4hi and then to 4low every 30 seconds). Just start driving in 2nd gear, when you get to 2500-3000RPM, switch to 4th, then to 6th gear. In 4low, and again this is how i drive, i usually dont go over 15-20MPH. You want to go faster, stop and switch your TC into 4hi.
#23
I personally, would never enter a mud hole in 1st or 2nd in low range. I have a ruby, so maybe your talking about the other transfer case, but with the 4:1 its simply to low of a gear. 3rd or 4th is just about right. Still sorta hard to stall, yet enough wheel spin to clear the wheels
#24
I personally, would never enter a mud hole in 1st or 2nd in low range. I have a ruby, so maybe your talking about the other transfer case, but with the 4:1 its simply to low of a gear. 3rd or 4th is just about right. Still sorta hard to stall, yet enough wheel spin to clear the wheels
Here is a video of my friend going through some thick shit, all in 4low 1st gear.
IMHO, you dont need to spin the wheels fast in order to get through mud. I saw one guy trying to go through mud in 4hi, his wheels were spinning fast (his speedo showed 90mph), yet it didnt get him through it. And i cleared the same mud pit going 4low 1st gear @ 3000RPM.
It also depends on tires, if tires have big treads, they will just throw the mud out from under your tires and get you bottomed out pretty fast.
#25
it's 2.72:1.... so you were very close haha. and personally if i dropped in a mudhole and wasnt going anywhere i'd cut the engine and take a strap. no point ruining your clutch (very expensive and labor intensive to replace) or your starter (still expensive but a little easier to replace) just because you wanted to be a big man and spin the tires as though you're going anywhere. admit defeat and save your jeep. mud blows... i avoid it like the plague.
#26
so if in a situation like this guy:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7_PUKQjnJQ
he does the right thing by just keeping the wheels spinning? If you do stall while in mud/water what the hell are you supposed to to with a 6spd? just let it stall and get pulled out? instead of messing with the clutch?
he does the right thing by just keeping the wheels spinning? If you do stall while in mud/water what the hell are you supposed to to with a 6spd? just let it stall and get pulled out? instead of messing with the clutch?
#28
This happened yesterday:
I was climbing up a steep hill, and I mean steep, and as I was climbing the Jeep started to slow and eventually stall (I was in 4lo in 1st gear).
What should you do to keep from rolling backwards down the hill? How should you try to get yourself out of the situation?
I eventually made it up after 3 or 4 times. I figured out I needed more speed to get over the loose rock section in the middle of the incline. But what do you recommend if you stall on an incline?
I was climbing up a steep hill, and I mean steep, and as I was climbing the Jeep started to slow and eventually stall (I was in 4lo in 1st gear).
What should you do to keep from rolling backwards down the hill? How should you try to get yourself out of the situation?
I eventually made it up after 3 or 4 times. I figured out I needed more speed to get over the loose rock section in the middle of the incline. But what do you recommend if you stall on an incline?
#29
In deep water you don't want to engage the clutch or you may risk sucking the water/mud into the clutch. Let it die, or step on the brakes to kill it. Once it is off, put it in 4LO 1st so if you have to restart it it will start up without engaging the clutch... especially useful if you are winching yourself out with a hydraulic winch.
The rule of thumb is.. don't engage your clutch in the deep stuff... but ya gotta do what you gotta do to get out... every situation isn't the same.
The rule of thumb is.. don't engage your clutch in the deep stuff... but ya gotta do what you gotta do to get out... every situation isn't the same.
Also, when you start your jeep while in deep water...wont the engine suck up water thru the tailpipe etc? ...or is this a myth?
...and what is considered "deep" water? ...when it is up to the bottom of your door?
#30
Once you stop making forward progress.. you are pretty much done... shut her down.
Hmm, i will have to disagree on the shut down part. If you are in water thats a very bad idea (unless water is over your hood), water will fill up quickly through your exhaust. Also if you have a winch, you will not be able to use it since with engine off it will kill your battery is a matter of seconds.
In deep water you don't want to engage the clutch or you may risk sucking the water/mud into the clutch. Let it die, or step on the brakes to kill it. Once it is off, put it in 4LO 1st so if you have to restart it it will start up without engaging the clutch... especially useful if you are winching yourself out with a hydraulic winch.
I've said it before, and i'll say it again. If the water is up to your bumper, and you try to start it, IT WILL SHORT OUT YOUR STARTER. Happened to me, so i'm talking from personal experience.
The rule of thumb is.. don't engage your clutch in the deep stuff... but ya gotta do what you gotta do to get out... every situation isn't the same.
If you are stuck in deep stuff, just let the engine slow down to like 1500 rpm, then QUICKLY push the clutch, get out of the gear, and release the clutch. But you have to do it fast. And let someone yank you out.
Hmm, i will have to disagree on the shut down part. If you are in water thats a very bad idea (unless water is over your hood), water will fill up quickly through your exhaust. Also if you have a winch, you will not be able to use it since with engine off it will kill your battery is a matter of seconds.
In deep water you don't want to engage the clutch or you may risk sucking the water/mud into the clutch. Let it die, or step on the brakes to kill it. Once it is off, put it in 4LO 1st so if you have to restart it it will start up without engaging the clutch... especially useful if you are winching yourself out with a hydraulic winch.
I've said it before, and i'll say it again. If the water is up to your bumper, and you try to start it, IT WILL SHORT OUT YOUR STARTER. Happened to me, so i'm talking from personal experience.
The rule of thumb is.. don't engage your clutch in the deep stuff... but ya gotta do what you gotta do to get out... every situation isn't the same.
If you are stuck in deep stuff, just let the engine slow down to like 1500 rpm, then QUICKLY push the clutch, get out of the gear, and release the clutch. But you have to do it fast. And let someone yank you out.
ok well now im pissed because i think i may have used my clutch once on accident because i got to this thread too late, what would happen if you did shift?
If you were able to get out, and drive home without problems, then nothing happened.
I got stuck in some sticky stuff once, and had to wait for 40 minutes for my friends to go all the way around to pull me out. All that time i kept trying to rock back and forth, and only after 30 minutes my clutch gave up on me. Well it wasn't exactly a clutch it was throw out bearing that got packed with sand and got stuck in disengaged position.
So if you do it once or twice while stuck, nothing at all should happen if you do it quick.
If you were able to get out, and drive home without problems, then nothing happened.
I got stuck in some sticky stuff once, and had to wait for 40 minutes for my friends to go all the way around to pull me out. All that time i kept trying to rock back and forth, and only after 30 minutes my clutch gave up on me. Well it wasn't exactly a clutch it was throw out bearing that got packed with sand and got stuck in disengaged position.
So if you do it once or twice while stuck, nothing at all should happen if you do it quick.
This happened yesterday:
I was climbing up a steep hill, and I mean steep, and as I was climbing the Jeep started to slow and eventually stall (I was in 4lo in 1st gear).
What should you do to keep from rolling backwards down the hill? How should you try to get yourself out of the situation?
I eventually made it up after 3 or 4 times. I figured out I needed more speed to get over the loose rock section in the middle of the incline. But what do you recommend if you stall on an incline?
If its very steep, you need more speed, so next time try climbing it in 4low 2nd gear. I would also recommend first finding out whats at the top of that hill, so you'll know what to do when you get to the top.
There is nothing you can do to keep from rolling backwards.
Here is a few videos of me climbing a steep hill. The first one is my friend in a TJ, and then me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPyjAZhWoYw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoVH1BIEkkE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z73BduZSbA
I was climbing up a steep hill, and I mean steep, and as I was climbing the Jeep started to slow and eventually stall (I was in 4lo in 1st gear).
What should you do to keep from rolling backwards down the hill? How should you try to get yourself out of the situation?
I eventually made it up after 3 or 4 times. I figured out I needed more speed to get over the loose rock section in the middle of the incline. But what do you recommend if you stall on an incline?
If its very steep, you need more speed, so next time try climbing it in 4low 2nd gear. I would also recommend first finding out whats at the top of that hill, so you'll know what to do when you get to the top.
There is nothing you can do to keep from rolling backwards.
Here is a few videos of me climbing a steep hill. The first one is my friend in a TJ, and then me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPyjAZhWoYw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoVH1BIEkkE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z73BduZSbA
So when you kill the engine with the brakes and then switch to 4LO 1st...do you do this all without touching the clutch?
Yes, but you risk of shorting out your starter motor, if in very deep water.
Also, when you start your jeep while in deep water...wont the engine suck up water thru the tailpipe etc? ...or is this a myth?
As far as i know its all true.
...and what is considered "deep" water? ...when it is up to the bottom of your door?
Yes, but you risk of shorting out your starter motor, if in very deep water.
Also, when you start your jeep while in deep water...wont the engine suck up water thru the tailpipe etc? ...or is this a myth?
As far as i know its all true.
...and what is considered "deep" water? ...when it is up to the bottom of your door?
Last edited by Seryoga; 07-24-2008 at 03:21 PM.