Home defense shotty for a woman
03-16-2012, 06:21 AM
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Home defense shotty for a woman
I am sure there will be lots of opinions on this one but here goes anyway...
My sister is having some pretty serious trouble with her ex and his trashy ass family. She is about to fire a legal nuclear bomb at them and is afraid that they might actually show up at her home and start a bunch of shit...including hurting her and her kids. So....
I am going to give her my Rem 870 just to have for peace of mind. It will be loaded with #4 buck shot in 3" magnum. Do you guys think that is okay for a woman to handle? She is 5'6" and weighs in at about 130 lbs...and hasn't ever handled a shotgun a day in her life
My sister is having some pretty serious trouble with her ex and his trashy ass family. She is about to fire a legal nuclear bomb at them and is afraid that they might actually show up at her home and start a bunch of shit...including hurting her and her kids. So....
I am going to give her my Rem 870 just to have for peace of mind. It will be loaded with #4 buck shot in 3" magnum. Do you guys think that is okay for a woman to handle? She is 5'6" and weighs in at about 130 lbs...and hasn't ever handled a shotgun a day in her life
03-16-2012, 06:26 AM
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Personally i think it is too much for her, especially shooting magnum loads. I would say get her #5 bird shot something like a turkey round, anything within a 10ft radius of the shot would still get messed up. Its a shotgun not a hunting rifle, pretty much anything you point at in the general direction will get hurt, maim or kill a person, thats just my opinion .......
03-16-2012, 06:45 AM
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I'm gonna agree with the above post that a 3" mag throws quite a punch. I would take her out to the range and get her well acquainted with the gun and how it works. If a shell jams, what to do. Have her take a training class if need be. Even a 410 will do nasty work and won't be nearly as hard to handle but nothing says "get the f@ck out like the rack of a 12 gauge 
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03-16-2012, 06:58 AM
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I agree with Bstelling, you need to take her out to the range and see how she reacts to the gun and teach her some gun safety, especially if there is kiddos involved.
For what its worth, my ex weighed about 110lbs and she had no problems handling the kick of my 12 ga. The issue I ran into with her is the gun being too long, I ended up taking it to a gun smith and having about 7 in chopped off the barrel.
EDIT: I should also mention, that gun has became my "go to" shotgun. Everyone laughs when I pull out my "little shotgun" until the end of the day when I have more birds than anyone
For what its worth, my ex weighed about 110lbs and she had no problems handling the kick of my 12 ga. The issue I ran into with her is the gun being too long, I ended up taking it to a gun smith and having about 7 in chopped off the barrel.
EDIT: I should also mention, that gun has became my "go to" shotgun. Everyone laughs when I pull out my "little shotgun" until the end of the day when I have more birds than anyone
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03-16-2012, 06:58 AM
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LOL she asked me for one of my pistols and I told her she was out of her mind.
Y'all are right about the thing packing a hell of a punch with the magnum rounds. I may need to rethink that one especially since she has kids in the house and the #4 shot will definitely go through a wall. Hmmm...
And yes, she is going to the range on Sunday to get familiarized with the thing since she hasn't ever handled one that I know of.
Y'all are right about the thing packing a hell of a punch with the magnum rounds. I may need to rethink that one especially since she has kids in the house and the #4 shot will definitely go through a wall. Hmmm...
And yes, she is going to the range on Sunday to get familiarized with the thing since she hasn't ever handled one that I know of.
03-16-2012, 07:07 AM
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It's a loaded question since we don't know the particulars but at the very least, she needs to fire the thing a couple of times if she is going to use it for self defense.
I personally think if she is not use to handling weapons you need to get her a can of Bear spray or a Kimber Guardian Angel. All the females in my household carry the Guardian Angel and they are very secure with it.
I personally think if she is not use to handling weapons you need to get her a can of Bear spray or a Kimber Guardian Angel. All the females in my household carry the Guardian Angel and they are very secure with it.
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03-16-2012, 07:17 AM
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Female Home Defense weapon
Rem 870 is a fine gun. My wife and daughter are about the same size, I recommend a Mossburg or Remington youth 20ga., the weight and length of the barrel are easier to handle. They come with adjustable butt stock pads. My wife and daughter have no problem handling my sons "Turkey" gun and the 20 ga is plenty of knock down, he has bagged 2 trophy birds at 40 to 50 yards with it.
Training for safety and for tactical situations is a must and plenty of range time getting used to the weapon. You want her as comfortable with the operation and handling of the weapon as possible should the worst case happen.
There is nothing better than a properly armed and trained citizen to thwart the actions of criminals. Remember the girl in Texas and the 911 call....I LOVE Texas and their embracement of personal gun ownership!
IT IS ONE OF THE BEST WRITTEN PRO-GUN ARGUMENT THAT I HAVE EVER READ.
As the Supreme Court hears arguments for and against the Chicago, IL, Gun Ban, I offer you another stellar example of a letter (written by a Marine), that places the proper perspective on what a gun means to a civilized society.
Interesting take and one you don't hear much... Read this eloquent and profound letter and pay close attention to the last paragraph of the letter.....
"The Gun Is Civilization"
By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)
Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.
In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.
The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society. But, a firearm makes it easier for an armed mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat - it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.
People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly .
Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.
People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier, works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.
The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply would not work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.
When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...And that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act !!
By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)
Training for safety and for tactical situations is a must and plenty of range time getting used to the weapon. You want her as comfortable with the operation and handling of the weapon as possible should the worst case happen.
There is nothing better than a properly armed and trained citizen to thwart the actions of criminals. Remember the girl in Texas and the 911 call....I LOVE Texas and their embracement of personal gun ownership!
IT IS ONE OF THE BEST WRITTEN PRO-GUN ARGUMENT THAT I HAVE EVER READ.
As the Supreme Court hears arguments for and against the Chicago, IL, Gun Ban, I offer you another stellar example of a letter (written by a Marine), that places the proper perspective on what a gun means to a civilized society.
Interesting take and one you don't hear much... Read this eloquent and profound letter and pay close attention to the last paragraph of the letter.....
"The Gun Is Civilization"
By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)
Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.
In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.
The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society. But, a firearm makes it easier for an armed mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat - it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.
People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly .
Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.
People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier, works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.
The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply would not work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.
When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...And that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act !!
By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)
03-16-2012, 07:29 AM
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It's a loaded question since we don't know the particulars but at the very least, she needs to fire the thing a couple of times if she is going to use it for self defense.
I personally think if she is not use to handling weapons you need to get her a can of Bear spray or a Kimber Guardian Angel. All the females in my household carry the Guardian Angel and they are very secure with it.
I personally think if she is not use to handling weapons you need to get her a can of Bear spray or a Kimber Guardian Angel. All the females in my household carry the Guardian Angel and they are very secure with it.
You might look into some frangible's if wall penetration is a concern